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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    Guys, if you want to buy Ford Fiesta Proto, here is the price:
    https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/for...-r5-proto-lhd/
    A quick look in RCFS and you see that for the same amount or less you could possible buy a 208 or a DS3. I Still don't like the Proto idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga View Post
    A quick look in RCFS and you see that for the same amount or less you could possible buy a 208 or a DS3.
    ... which are the worst R5 cars ever built...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    ... which are the worst R5 cars ever built...
    Yes, but you could run them everywhere... and on a National level you can be quite competitive! The DS3 is Tri-champ in Portugal, won in France as well as the 208 in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    ... which are the worst R5 cars ever built...
    But they are faster than the proto car and they are FIA compatible - and if properly prepared they are not that bad - see Andreucci in Italy or Abbring in Belgium.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    What countries have ASNs with currage to homologate 4wd cars that are cheaper than R4/R5?

    All 3 of the private corporations that sanction Rally in Corporate Merikuh, and the 2 in Canada...

    I am not sure if I would call it courage. Since they agree on so little else (each has it's own name for each of the various classes, each interperts the cage rules slightly but strictly different--if they happen to notice, )
    And has all the best rally, Numbah 1!!! they have the best...all of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    In other words: Which countries are so stupid that they donīt play with FIA rules?
    (Those countries donīt want their drivers to have international career)
    But there is a question of this: in many places its not realistic to adopt classes which compel the big majortity..99,9% who have no intention of ever travelling with the expense of any of the FIA R classes when there are effectively zero people with the imagination, the fantasy that they will one day have a "career" ----which mean make a living earning money---at rally..
    Sure some places there are enough rich guys or sons of rich guys who want to play but many parts of the world there aren't enough...so its imposed 3-4x the expense plus extra organiser budget enforcing pointless class...

    USA and Canada together--no point....South America--Argentina and Chile, no point.
    Oz and NZ no point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    Guys, if you want to buy Ford Fiesta Proto, here is the price:
    https://rallycarsforsale.net/ads/for...-r5-proto-lhd/
    So what development has happened since they where 35 000 euro, like this one:
    http://www.rallysales.com/ad/vw-polo-proto/

    https://www.facebook.com/ProtoCars/
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    How in the whole world can some believe that it's possible to build a 4wd that is both fast, and cheap to build, and in addition durable and cheap to operate.
    And this car should be significantly cheaper than r5, and almost as fast and durable.
    If you do not know, Santa does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coach 2 View Post
    how in the whole world can some believe that it's possible to build a 4wd that is both fast, and cheap to build, and in addition durable and cheap to operate.
    And this car should be significantly cheaper than r5, and almost as fast and durable.

    if you do not know, santa does not exist.
    what!!!!???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach 2 View Post
    How in the whole world can some believe that it's possible to build a 4wd that is both fast, and cheap to build, and in addition durable and cheap to operate.
    And this car should be significantly cheaper than r5, and almost as fast and durable.
    If you do not know, Santa does not exist.
    Who said anything about fast. What is fast anyway; is R2 or R3 fast, or only R5 and WRCar?
    For talents on their way up it does not matter much, as long as all cars are equally slow/fast. Then the driver talemts emerge.

    As it was in Norwegian Subaru Cup. Equal cars that you could both rally and racing with, at a reasonable price.

    The Dytko cars could serve the same purpose for instance in a Nordic Cup. Meant to develop drivers, with coaching both for driving on surfaces, racing on track, media training, mental training and so on. This means that the 4 ASNs must agree on rules and regulations. Not easy, but doable.
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