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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    I'm starting to believe N.O.T.'s british autism jokes more and more. What a load of BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by the sniper View Post
    We're not all in this together!
    I know, just teasing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
    I am living a lie kids....

    LOL LOL LOL....

    are you for real ? how can someone be such a basic life form ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
    The whole think didn't start in Sweden. Starting order games has been in rally for quite some years. Even if FIA imposes some rules over the PS, the teams can just change the game - how about the cars have some technical "issues"? If we go on like this, the circus grows bigger and bigger. Let it be like this, it'll be forgotten in few months. I'm quite sure all of them have been aware of this rule "cheating", just might be little pissed about Ogier using it.

    EDIT: Besides these games are not in favor of manufacturers, not showing their lead drivers on the "best show" during the rally, Neuville didn't gain anything on this possibly Tanak too, the only losers were Hyundai & Toyota. I think next time orders to follow the starting order will not come from FIA or Germany, but from South Korea and Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    The whole think didn't start in Sweden. Starting order games has been in rally for quite some years. Even if FIA imposes some rules over the PS, the teams can just change the game - how about the cars have some technical "issues"? If we go on like this, the circus grows bigger and bigger. Let it be like this, it'll be forgotten in few months. I'm quite sure all of them have been aware of this rule "cheating", just might be little pissed about Ogier using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    No one has ever thought it would be a problem? Has this happened in the past before?
    Only an issue with the power stage malarky- make the power stage the first and that solves many problems - only those not in contention will have good road positions on gravel
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    I am living a lie kids....

    LOL LOL LOL....

    are you for real ? how can someone be such a basic life form ?
    You should know!
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
    This put GigiGalliNo1 rumors from servic parks in big shadows and I think it even beats Anttik sending registered mail to FIA.
    An oneiric experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Only an issue with the power stage malarky- make the power stage the first and that solves many problems - only those not in contention will have good road positions on gravel
    This isn't an easy problem to fix. Your suggestion would make the whole point of the power stage null & void. The original idea was to bring some excitement to the last day of the rally. Normally the finishing order is sorted out by Saturday night unless something really crazy happens on Sunday. Sunday was pretty dull and number of viewers and spectators declining. Enter the power stage, now teams have a reason to push and it adds extra excitement to an otherwise dull day. If it is moved to Leg 1 of the rally then we're back to "let's-just-get-through-it-so-it-can-be-over" Sunday.

    Additionally, points are points and it does't matter what situation you find yourself in, more points are always better than less. So Ogier was frustrated, he lost a lot of time due to running order and his only hope was to mess with the start order on the power stage so he could get some points. A real tear jerker but absolutely no different than winning the rally, or re-entering under rally 2 and doing the same thing on the power stage to get points. One situation is no more or less justified than the other. As long as the rules allow it and the gain outweighs the penalty then people will do it. They may have considered it and held back as nobody wanted to be the first (cause it is unsporting) but now the dam is broken and the only fix is a rule change or it will keep happening.
    Last edited by OHL; 15th March 2018 at 21:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHL View Post
    This isn't an easy problem to fix. Your suggestion would make the whole point of the power stage null & void. The original idea was to bring some excitement to the last day of the rally. Normally the finishing order is sorted out by Saturday night unless something really crazy happens on Sunday. Sunday was pretty dull and number of viewers and spectators declining. Enter the power stage, now teams have a reason to push and it adds extra excitement to an otherwise dull day. If it is moved to Leg 1 of the rally then we're back to "let's-just-get-through-it-so-it-can-be-over" Sunday.
    Do You consider the other way around possibility? - Drivers from the back of the field already have some points from the PS and might risk attacking a bit more on Saturday afternoon & Sunday? Hmmmm.....
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