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    I still do not understand why they insist on this kind of "special".
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    In Ogiers case it was WDC points to fight for. And Ogier gained many tenths of a second doing what he did. So justice were conducted. No fiver for him. That´s fair.

    And hey, hai bails won´t be hit hard without severe damage on car.
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    if the stewards had acted quick and given Neuville a penalty before the power stage started, I guess Ogier would have taken it easier. So in that way it was not fair.
    This.

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    They could use tractors, like in finland last year. Or metal shipping containers.

    When chicanes are heavy and dangerous, people complain, when they are light and safe, other people complain.
    It's pretty simple, you're not supposed to hit anything or leave the route. If you do, they can give you a penalty. Its up to the clerk of the course to decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    They could use tractors, like in finland last year.
    2016 actually. After complaints it was removed for 2017.

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    As I wrote yesterday. The solution is very simple and can be done same way as in our championship. The chicane is of standard proportions given by the rules before the season, it is painted on the ground before the recce, than built on the same ground plan and a steward with an arbitral function is assigned to it. For damaging/braking the chicane there are fixed penalties given by the rules prior the season. If You only move one element of the chicane from its ground plan You get 5 seconds penalty (it must be completely outside of the ground plan), if more You get higher penalty up to 30 seconds if You simpy go straight through.

    This has been working here for years. It's clear and fair for everyone.
    Last edited by Mirek; 12th March 2018 at 11:28.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well, if the stewards had acted quick and given Neuville a penalty before the power stage started, I guess Ogier would have taken it easier. So in that way it was not fair.
    Have you read the decision?

    ... Competitor, before the running of the stage, was seeking clarification with the Clerk of the Course regarding consqeuences of "nudging the first part out of the way".
    The reply given by the Clerk of the Course to the team of all the manufacturers was that any deviation.... will be referred to the stewards for further investigation.
    So before PS (and therefore likely after first run and seeing what Neuville did). Ogier asked and was told that it was not ok.
    ... and then pushed it out (maybe not on purpose but that doesn't matter).

    Note how all other cars avoided it prbly also because they got the same info.

    Therefore I am 100% fine with the penalty.

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    Jesus, guys, take a moment and read the stewards decision report.

    "Competitor, before the running of the stage, was seeking clarification with the Clerk of the Course regarding the consequences of "nudging the first part out of the way". The reply given [...] was that any deviation, "specifically not going around the elements of the chicane [...] will be referred to the stewards for further investigation"."

    If this isn't clear proof of intent to win time with that trick, I don't know what is. And he was warned that it will be referred to judges, yet he still did it. How can you justify his action? I haven't seen Neuville's run through that chicane on the previous stage, but unless he also deliberately and as clearly cut the chicane to gain time (for which he had no reason to, as there was no one around him and it wasn't power stage), I don't really see a problem here.

    // mknight already pointed the same out while I was typing this post, sorry for doubling. But damn, AnttiL is a proper hypocrite..
    Last edited by RaunoK; 12th March 2018 at 11:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Thats what I mean... driver's take every cut and advantage they can, those crappy barriers were asking to be clipped.
    ...and to have those crappy barriers on a Power Stage is just stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaunoK View Post
    But damn, AnttiL is a proper hypocrite..
    ???

    What's up with this forum?

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