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    Last edited by dimviii; 12th March 2018 at 05:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Est, since Tanak was out, the rally was over for you, right?
    No, it was over when Sordo and Loeb had punctures.

    Like NOT said, it was fun for 1.5 days but it would have been fun for all 3 days without the troubles.
    "Some famous quote from some famous person"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    A simple question - since when cutting a corner (no matter hitting something or not) or use a snow bank to preserve speed are new to rallying?
    The difference here is that the road book does not contain every single corner - just tells which road to drive, how long, which junction to turn. And of course, anything artificial such as chicanes, and they should not be deviated from.

    And a steward’s decision is not automated, it takes a human decision. If Ogier’s time had been slow enough not to get any points in the first place, I doubt the penalty would have been issued.

    Stewards are often old professionals, I think Grönholm’s co-driver Timo Rautiainen used to be one.

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    To my understanding, thats one of the reasons these stewards exist - to evaluate such situations and assign penalties when unfair advantage is achieved. At least on local level i know that leaving the course is when all 4 wheels are off the road (tarmac or gravel). In most such situations advantage is not achieved, as moving on roads is generally faster than moving on ploughed field or through bushes, but on some occasion it might be faster and then (when sufficient proof is presented) stewards may apply penalty. Also, rally is supposed to happen in environment without deliberately rearranging said environment - so hitting a tree is technically illegal, but when no advantage is gained, no penalty is assigned. But when barriers or cones are pushed away and advantage is achieved, then stewards may assign penalty. As possible variations are endless, quality of proofs varies, then panel of stewards is necessary to weigh each situation. Otherwise clearly defined list of penalties could be sufficient.

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    If these barriers were made of solid concrete Ogier would have been stuck on the place with broken front right wheel. So penalty was fully ok. Understand the forum is agreed on the penalty. (Didn´t read whole thread at the end)
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    We've seen loads of driver's nudging and even fully hitting straw bail chicanes over the years and no penalties have been applied.

    Why cant Ogier just say he mis-judged his speed and hit the barriers axcidentally ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    We've seen loads of driver's nudging and even fully hitting straw bail chicanes over the years and no penalties have been applied.
    Can you pinpoint an example where a considerable advantage was gained (ie. gaining a position or winning a power stage)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    We've seen loads of driver's nudging and even fully hitting straw bail chicanes over the years and no penalties have been applied.

    Why cant Ogier just say he mis-judged his speed and hit the barriers axcidentally ?
    Don’t think anyone will believe him.

    We may find out though, as M-Sport are going to appeal his penalty.

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    This could only be a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICARDO75 View Post
    This could only be a joke
    Neuville could have driven that chicane at 10 km/h making sure he touches nothing.
    He could have plowed through and been given a 30 sec penalty
    He could have been given the same 10 sec penalty as Ogier

    None of that would have changed the end result of the rally (this was not on the power stage)

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