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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    You are being ridiculous. Just face it, it`s allowed and M-sport started it, took it even further after the PS with Evans. Tänak did cleaning aswell and was as also disappointed at the time (stage end comment) but now that teams think it is ok and in the end they all want to win and this is what makes competition great. If someone would give up sooner rather than later, we would be having another dull period. It`s something for the FIA to think about, not for fans to look through suitable colored glasses, be it M-Sport/Ogier, Hyundai/Neuville or Toyota/Tänak.
    Ogier may have started it but he had good reason as Sweden was an exceptional rally. But the others now doing it on a normal rally (and even worse from Rally 2), THAT is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Ogier may have started it but he had good reason as Sweden was an exceptional rally. But the others now doing it on a normal rally
    LOL...

    come in here kids the fun never stops with this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Ogier may have started it but he had good reason as Sweden was an exceptional rally. But the others now doing it on a normal rally (and even worse from Rally 2), THAT is ridiculous.
    It's not ridiculous. The fact that it's possible by rules is ridiculous. Maybe all time penalties for being late/early at TC's should be added to the stage-time before or after that TC, in stead of just adding it to the overall time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    It's not ridiculous. The fact that it's possible by rules is ridiculous. Maybe all time penalties for being late/early at TC's should be added to the stage-time before or after that TC, in stead of just adding it to the overall time.
    Is there any explanation, why is that not a practice now or have always been? Simple solution for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartusvuori View Post
    Is there any explanation, why is that not a practice now or have always been? Simple solution for this.
    No one has ever thought it would be a problem? Has this happened in the past before?

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    I remember reading, that Hirvonen did it some years back.

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    what happened is no different than when drivers stopped before the stage end to have a better position for the next day or when burns faked a flat tyre and delayed to start the stage in australia....

    we can cry like little sick dogs depending on which driver we support or we can accept it...

    we can also follow the auti... (oooops FBI warning)... i mean the british method and stir up the subject every now and then to satisfy our mental disabilities...
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    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
    So by your statement it is OK that when Ogier who happens to be the lead driver of the team you support is in a desperation to get points, but when competition is trying to exploit this loophole in a desperation for more points they act like children. Really?? I'm starting to believe N.O.T.'s british autism jokes more and more. What a load of BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This whole issue could have started and ended in Sweden.

    If the other Teams had accepted that Ogier/M-Sport's action was a one-off due to their desperation to get some points on a rally where they were basically denied through no fault of their own.

    The FIA even asked everyone not to behave like this on the Mexico PS.

    But no, Hyundai and Toyota had to act like children in Mexico saying, well if they did it we're going to do it. Even though the rally and circumstances were totally different.
    This is just embarrassing Eddie sorry.

    Why should M-Sport be able to get away with something that clearly works and others told they can't do it?

    The first line of your post is bang on though. The issue should have started in Sweden with the FIA doing their jobs.

    Story in MN yesterday said the WRC Promoter put forward a proposal after Sweden but the FIA didn't act on it. They will discuss it at the next WRC Commission meeting in May! I guess there are a few layers of their own red tape to get through - but I reckon that means we'll have this all again in Argentina next month. Maybe even Portugal if the FIA continue to sit on their hands.

    Guarantee you if this was F1 it would have been sorted within a week.
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