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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    Why not merge WRC2 and ERC?
    That would help exactly nothing, quite the opposite.
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    This situation between ERC and WRC2 may sort out itself, when there will be more works/semiworks teams in WRC2, so guys like Kramer, realise that it's almost impossible to challenge works teams. Question remains - how to attract those who can't/won't do WRC2 to ERC. Maybe some support or financial backing from FIA/Eurosport (or whoever pays money for U27/U28 winners) for ERT or national champions. Maybe somehow attract dealership backed teams (New R4 may help). Also maybe Opel R5 and Mitsubishi R5 could be good, but again there is FIA behind all this, and it won't happen.
    One of many fascinating thing about rally is that anyone, who can afford it, can compete anywhere he/she wants. You won't see it in most of other sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    Maybe somehow attract dealership backed teams (New R4 may help). Also maybe Opel R5 and Mitsubishi R5 could be good, but again there is FIA behind all this, and it won't happen.
    +1; FIA could be less strict in the European WRC events and rally series, like they are in other continents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I looked through the top5 of the last 10 ERC seasons and the only names later seen in WRC or WRC2 were Hänninen, Breen and Lappi.
    This is my impression...and it makes it seem that all the other classes and cars aside from the World rally Cars are mainly money-grabs from the teams...In other words nobody really gives a s**t about the classes or if Joe Bloggs does a 2nd in class and 65th overall..

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    Wouldnt be cheaper to allow R4, AP4 and MaxiRally cars for ERC and WRC2 while having R5 cars for WRC? I know its not a real TOP CLASS car compared to current wrc cars... But it could attract more privateers and costumer programs.. I think.
    I still think it could be a good program to have manufacturers building R5 cars and selling for costumer teams to race whatever they want... kinda like TCR did.
    WTCC is shutting its TC1 cars to run TCR cars next year. Its not THE BEST THING EVER, but it could attract lots of entries and improve competition.
    IDK.. it seems that these F1 cars, MotoGP bikes, WRC top cars, WTCC cars, LMP1 are getting too expensive to make sense and things are starting to change.
    WTCC changed.. The LMP1 Its already changing, with chassis and engine makers building and selling.
    I dont see how WRC could avoid this direction

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    No, it's not better because the top class is never cheap. That's the way of thinking which has been again and again proven wrong. The top level is always expensive from the principle - even if it's wooden bikes it's expensive when you develop the best in the world. Making R5 the top class would only make R5 more expensive not the WRC reasonably cheaper.

    Simply don't repair what is not broken. For God's sake when we finally have something which works give it time and don't change it again. R5 do work and they work very well. In fact there is no other similarly successful concept in the rallying (except maybe S2000 if they were not killed at their popularity peak by the change of the rules).
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    However I do think that WRC2 should be untouched in the current form. BUT, the ERC should lighten up which classes should be allowed, just in the mission to sort out the fast young guys, whom in the future could be runners up for WRC2, after having some of the needed experiences from ERC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giu canbera View Post
    WTCC changed.. The LMP1 Its already changing, with chassis and engine makers building and selling. I dont see how WRC could avoid this direction
    ‘17 WRC cars were the right bet to revamp WRC. The pinnacle rally series needs to have the most developed and spectacular rally cars around; for sure they are expensive, but overall they’re using the same tech of the previous ones, making the upgrading affordable for manus.

    That wasn’t the case of LMP1 hybrid cars; FIA neglected the costs of developing a totally new racing technology and eventually manus weren’t able to handle them.

    Anyway, each category has his life cycles; costs tend to escalate through the years and the need for a cheaper alternative only comes when the series aren’t able to provide a proper return for the investment. That’s WTCC current case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    No, it's not better because the top class is never cheap. That's the way of thinking which has been again and again proven wrong. The top level is always expensive from the principle
    Agree... but look what is happening. LMP1, WTCC, DTM... you cant be that expensive anymore.
    Just saying. Long live to the current WRC format... but they gotta have a backup plan if something happens... I'd suggest the R5
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    Naah, the biggest issue is that internal combustion engines are considered dinosaurs, add the money part and there`s no point in that for many manufacturers. Especially in this eco-world, where there are more and more strict pollution standards. From 2020 every engine that produces more CO2 from "some amount", is fined...big problem among many manufacturers as they don`t have that kind of an engine yet, not to mention the scandals active now.

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