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    Quote Originally Posted by Watson View Post
    Well, endurance racing is actually realtively easy to produce TV production for. The reason is simply that eventhough the Nordschleife and Circuit de la Sarthe (or any other) are very long, the cars always stay in the same place. So you can just place the cameras and leave them there. I always watch those races cause they're interesting and the live broadcast at least in Europe is very good and extensive.

    With the WRC or any rally series for that matter the problem is that you'd need loads more cameras and staff to do much live broadcasting.

    Of course this is completely not true. The Tour de France and other cycling races travel 200 km a day and they only have fixed cameras at the stage end. Yet every day they manage to make a compelling 6 hour broadcast that is watched by millions. They also have a service park that is equal in size and grandeur to a WRC park, that they build up and demolish every single day without problem.

    Rallying is nothing like circuitracing and should never be compared with it. Mahonen Capito and all the others, all they do is look at rally and find how it compares unfavorably with circuit racing. And of course they find millions of things wrong with rallying, because rallying is nothing like circuitracing.

    Imagine if the boss of the NBA orders that all the players should now start kicking the ball with their feet. Because you know, football is bigger worldwide than basketball so the sports should be more alike. Completely ridiculous of course, yet this is precisely what current rally bosses are doing.

    *end of rant*

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    And 1000 Lakes Rally almost went bankrupt those days because the stages were mostly under 10 kms long, it just wasn't appealing to anyone
    That was also the time when nobody outside of Scandinavia cared about the 1000 Lakes Rally. A quick scan of the final results of 86 reveils that Malcolm Wilson was the only serious non-Finn or non-Swede on the entrylist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada View Post
    That was also the time when nobody outside of Scandinavia cared about the 1000 Lakes Rally. A quick scan of the final results of 86 reveils that Malcolm Wilson was the only serious non-Finn or non-Swede on the entrylist.
    The main reason was that all the top drivers except Röhrl & Biasion were from Finland or Sweden!

    Walter took two WRC titles, but he never competed in Rally Finland, because he was sure that it was not possible to win. It´s a shame, because he was very talented and after that era the next generation drivers showed that it´s possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada View Post
    That was also the time when nobody outside of Scandinavia cared about the 1000 Lakes Rally. A quick scan of the final results of 86 reveils that Malcolm Wilson was the only serious non-Finn or non-Swede on the entrylist.
    Yeah, it was only Finnish car manufacturers, teams, film crews and spectators. And FISA didn't care either, so it was just a national event.

    Seriously, most of the top drivers back then were Scandinavians. Röhrl never dared to try Finland, whereas Mouton rolled her Audi a couple of times. Saby got through the rally in a Renault 5 Turbo in 1984, but it was not a competitive car on gravel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada View Post
    The Tour de France and other cycling races travel 200 km a day and they only have fixed cameras at the stage end. Yet every day they manage to make a compelling 6 hour broadcast that is watched by millions. They also have a service park that is equal in size and grandeur to a WRC park, that they build up and demolish every single day without problem.
    It's easier to follow a single group of cyclists going at 40 km/h on big open roads than 12 rally cars starting at 3 minute intervals, going 120 km/h amid trees and around hairpins.

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    Compare cycling with rallying...well, ok.
    Live picture, as said, from a group of cyclists moving on the same road is rather easy to catch with helicopters and cameras on bikes/in cars. Apart from the helicopter, the other part is not an option in rallying.
    Bicycle service...well, again, they may look big but compared to equipment necessary for servicing a rally car it`s pretty much nothing. Probably takes one roadcar to fit a cyclist or two with all the necessary equipment. Those days, when a driver pulled over the roadside and smoked a few cigarettes with his mechanics while they were changing a gearbox, are over. Just like you can`t do everything on your modern roadcar with some simple ratchets and logical thinking, whereas its older generations can be easily rebuilt.
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    Just excuses all over and over... Nothing is impossible. Why spend on expensive helis if you can have few more drones in the air... And with almost every car equiped with cameras inside they still struggle with live broadcasting... But all action is filmed and then only show a few clips to the world... And bring more different not just one with two repeats... I know it's expensive but if they will invest properly and show more to the the world I think that they could achieve even more and bring even more numbers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    Just excuses all over and over... Nothing is impossible. Why spend on expensive helis if you can have few more drones in the air... And with almost every car equiped with cameras inside they still struggle with live broadcasting... But all action is filmed and then only show a few clips to the world... And bring more different not just one with two repeats... I know it's expensive but if they will invest properly and show more to the the world I think that they could achieve even more and bring even more numbers...
    Drones have a limited range and won't substitute helicopters in a while. They are used for different things. Drones are more like FX cameras which can get closer to the cars than helicopters.

    And the live broadcast is tricky, they have to have an airplane flying around the stage to supply network connection to the cars in order to get live streams from the onboard cameras.

    I don't understand the "only a few clips part" or "more different not just one with two repeats" part. I mean, the daily programs can't be 10 hours long, they have to make some editing. Although, I'd love to have complete footage from a filmed corner as a part of WRC+ bonus features, just like the onboards.
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    Eurosport showed what is possible with some immersive multi-stage coverage. And that was almost eight years ago. It just comes down to money and desire.
    My rally photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmi View Post
    Eurosport showed what is possible with some immersive multi-stage coverage. And that was almost eight years ago. It just comes down to money and desire.
    Rallye du Valais was October 2008, and the 2009 Monte was 3 months later; and the events that Eurosport covered live in the IRC are still the benchmark for live Rally coverage.
    What Red Bull do with their live Super Stage on the Saturday is very nice; but only 1 live 'free' stage simply isn't good enough in 2017 if you're trying to grow an audience. Rallying is up against other motorsport series who provide free streaming of their events. In an ideal world, there would be free coverage on each day of an event; 1 stage in the morning, and possibly repeated in the afternoon.

    Personally, the coverage we now get from Red Bull is what I thought we'd get when they took over - it's taken them 5 years to provide the absolute minimum in regards to coverage.
    WRC: On the long way to Recovery............
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