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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Yes could be. But also the Loeb outings has revealed the car has potential which Meeke didn't utilize. I believe they believe Meeke has reached his maximum and there is no more to require from him. Breen still has room for improvement.
    Loeb had a 50% crash rate on his 2 rallys.
    He was on a wing and a prayer to try and win each rally. Meeke was try to keep in championship hunt. 2 different mind sets and they were separted by a handful of seconds.. Both Loeb & Meeke maximum is the potential to win any rally they enter Breen, Otsberg and in reality, the car.. are soooo far off that position.. that the rest of this year is damage limitation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    Money is their issue. Wrecked cars are costing them too much. Safety is just an excuse for the public so they don't sound like cheapstakes

    If I believe what I heared the pre event test for Citroen, without Meeke was a severe reality check. Confirmed by Breens comments.

    Budier is trying to spin the situation with Ogier rumour and 2019/20 wishy washy comments to deflect what was a complete PR disaster.

    In reality no-one is going to put the car where Meeke or Loeb between now and end of the year.. so why will Ogier risk his career stepping into a car that is fundamentally flawed, and team that isn't fully commitmented, with a car that will likely only get a fluke of a podium between now and year end. In fact why would any other driver do so?

    I wouldnt like to be in Breens shoes... He hasn't exactly had an exemilary damage record that last 3 or 4 events... How will Citroen react is Breen put it on its roof?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    Loeb had a 50% crash rate on his 2 rallys.
    Yes, totally forgot about that. But he is like "100" years old, his reactions are getting slower, and it's not like Meeke is coming to his prime either, soon he'll be as old as Loeb in 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    That's just excuse for the public. The real reason we'll never know. ...
    There's a lot of talk here about money, image, the cost of repairing cars etc... But there's been no talk of the wider implications of allowing Meeke to continue to compete and to continue to risk lives.
    Yes, there is risk inherent in rallying. But it's managed and calculated risk. When you stop managing risk, and allow known dangers to go unchecked, surely you are culpable when things go wrong?
    However high the esteem in which we regard Meeke as a sportsman, he is still an employee of a company and they surely have both legal and moral responsibilities to ensure his safety and that of others who may be affected by his actions.
    If you had a forklift driver working in your warehouse who had a propensity to run into things, knock things over and endanger life and limb, would you continue to employ them in that role?
    If you had a builder who was always dropping their tools and materials or falling off scaffolding, would you keep sending them up the ladder?
    It's been suggested already on this forum that the decree to dismiss Meeke came from higher up than team management.
    Is it not possible, or even likely, that the parent company management have seen the results of the Portugal crash, which could very easily have involved fatalities, and determined that there is strong evidence of a pattern which is heading for disaster and that the risk is too great ... both to life and the company chequebook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sollitt View Post
    There's a lot of talk here about money, image, the cost of repairing cars etc... But there's been no talk of the wider implications of allowing Meeke to continue to compete and to continue to risk lives.
    Yes, there is risk inherent in rallying. But it's managed and calculated risk. When you stop managing risk, and allow known dangers to go unchecked, surely you are culpable when things go wrong?
    However high the esteem in which we regard Meeke as a sportsman, he is still an employee of a company and they surely have both legal and moral responsibilities to ensure his safety and that of others who may be affected by his actions.
    If you had a forklift driver working in your warehouse who had a propensity to run into things, knock things over and endanger life and limb, would you continue to employ them in that role?
    If you had a builder who was always dropping their tools and materials or falling off scaffolding, would you keep sending them up the ladder?
    It's been suggested already on this forum that the decree to dismiss Meeke came from higher up than team management.
    Is it not possible, or even likely, that the parent company management have seen the results of the Portugal crash, which could very easily have involved fatalities, and determined that there is strong evidence of a pattern which is heading for disaster and that the risk is too great ... both to life and the company chequebook?
    As You said there is always risk in Rally, at any point the things can go terribly wrong. We're all aware of that, and it's not like the Group B days will return with those fatalities. As for the image, they already had the maximum of the situation, like "look how strong and safe our cars are, the crew escaped uninjured from this heavy crash". Costly, yes certainly, but no matter the costs and risks, there is no reason to continue like this for what gain - 1-2 victories for the whole season, and that with all the advantage the rally can give like road position, etc. It's simply not worthy.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrc2017 View Post
    If I believe what I heared the pre event test for Citroen, without Meeke was a severe reality check. Confirmed by Breens comments.
    Seems that I've missed something. Could you elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky View Post
    Seems that I've missed something. Could you elaborate?
    That Meeke has the best experience on setuping C3 and without him as a reference it's supposedly difficult. It's a place of growing for Breen.

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    Could be difficult or it can turn out that it may be better when the team is setting up the car based on comments by Breen and Ostberg. Although I remember Loeb saying his set up was not much different than Meeke, so it would seem that Meeke had good knowledge of setting up the C3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    Could be difficult or it can turn out that it may be better when the team is setting up the car based on comments by Breen and Ostberg. Although I remember Loeb saying his set up was not much different than Meeke, so it would seem that Meeke had good knowledge of setting up the C3.
    Meeke's setup for the DS3 was very similar to Loeb's, as supposedly they have similar styles, so this could be the case with the C3 as well. And maybe you are right, in Sweden Breen went by what Ostberg said, and they both were much faster than Meeke. We will see.

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