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3rd May 2007, 19:23 #21
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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Race car aerodynamics are very different than airplanes, because they have different aerodynamic purpose. Airplanes are designed to fly at an optimal speed and altitude, or dynamic pressure. Race cars are always in transient state, unless you are racing on ovals. Cars also don't need to worry about fuel mileage that much, so it can afford to carry the extra drag penalties from the small aero devices the cars are carrying. Even if you have a L/D of 0.5, it may still achieve the performance criteria of the race car engineers, because they may have a more powerful engine to overcome that extra drag.
One thing though, those Honda wings are some of the weirdest, yet funniest thing I have ever seen.
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3rd May 2007, 19:26 #22
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Originally Posted by Erki
Its boggoling to think that Honda are trying these flow conditioners, which only give a minimul gain, when there car has an inherent handaling problem that will require something far more drastic to be done.
I'm beginning to think that Hondas engineering department is so leaderless that they're running around like headless chickens.
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3rd May 2007, 19:53 #23
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They developed these things. They tried them. They supposedly don't do a d--m thing. Houston our wind tunnel still is all screwed up!
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3rd May 2007, 19:57 #24
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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
and yes I do think FIA got things wrong
- same grooved tyres for all teams so a team cant get an advantage by using a better griping tyre[/*:mhjls26a]
- Rev limited engines and engine specification freeze, at 19000rpm all engines are relatively close so teams cant get an advantage from their engines.[/*:mhjls26a]
- rear wing elements limited and closely monitored so teams cant get an aerodynamic advantage from their standard wings[/*:mhjls26a]
- coming next year standard ECUs so teams cant get an advantage with better electronics[/*:mhjls26a]
So what does that leave, all these winglets that the teams can freely use to get an advantageI got my motorcycle jacket, but I'm walking all the time...
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3rd May 2007, 20:23 #25
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Originally Posted by dchenYou can't make a person love another person. You can only pray for it.
Stupid rules => stupid consequences :s
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3rd May 2007, 21:09 #26
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Originally Posted by tinchote
A F1's goal is to achieve the best handling, not necessary the car with least amount of drag. To do this, you can use many of these small aero devices to control flow, either to divert flow over the tires, or to control the flows to the rear wing. These devices changes the flow characteristics, but they also introduce drag. The goal is to maximize the downforce while maintaining the correct center of pressure so the car will work correctly. That's very far from the aerodynamic goal of airplane, which is to achieve the highest L/D along with keeping the center of pressure near the center of gravity.
Bottom line is, airplane is looking for the most efficient aerodynamic design, and F1 is looking for the best handling design, efficient or not.
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3rd May 2007, 22:29 #27
What I dont get though is wouldnt they have run these extra winglets on a computer simulator or maybe a scale model.
I'd have thought they'd have known they were going to be pants and give no advantage before they got to actually trying them on the track.
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3rd May 2007, 22:42 #28
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I think you can stick a fork in Honda, they're done. If the best they can think of to make the car better is to stick elephant ears on the nose then they have no hope.
This looks like a deperate reach by a design team who have no idea what is wrong with their car.
Button should go down and see if Super Aguri need a Friday driver and Barrichello should be looking at Retirement Villages in Brazil becuase Honda are going nowhere fast.Forza Ferrari!!
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4th May 2007, 00:09 #29
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Originally Posted by TMorel
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4th May 2007, 00:10 #30
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Long live DUMBO!!!! The quickest flying elephant!!!!
Is Honda the new flying elephant?
Wet conditions. Portuguese Autosport brought something to the table... the WRC2 crews are using a WRC spec tyre that is harder than the spec Meeke and other CPR runners are using.
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