Most specific rally

[Coach 2]

There are many who say that this or that rally is very special-
I ask; For who and in relation to what.

Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
Sorry for OT, but which rally isn't specific in WRC or ERC? I always thought that Rally Finland is classic rally - exactly as rally should be.

you will understand at next rally why Finland is specific.

Why: dimviii

[N.O.T]

wow...

i never knew there are people like you in real life....

you learn something every day.

[Coach 2]

In any case, I would say that the most specific, for most drivers from most countries is Monte. Scandinavian, Baltic and probably Spanish, Portuguese, Greek .... yes maybe all other countries than France and Italy dont run rally with snow and ice on asphalt. What other countries run rally with Monte-spikes might you tell me.

[denkimi]

i would say monte or sweden.

[Coach 2]

i would say monte or sweden.

Can not agree with that, at least not entirely. For Russians, baltic (maybe also Polish) and of course Scandinavians, Swedish is not a special rally. They are used with tires that have 20mm studs (6-8mm overhang). They are also used to fast relatively wide forest roads.
(Believe it or not) Driving with spikes is also very similar to various types of gravel.
And with this reasoning, I think Monte is more specific also for most drivers.

[denkimi]

Can not agree with that, at least not entirely. For Russians, baltic (maybe also Polish) and of course Scandinavians, Swedish is not a special rally. They are used with tires that have 20mm studs (6-8mm overhang). They are also used to fast relatively wide forest roads.
(Believe it or not) Driving with spikes is also very similar to various types of gravel.
And with this reasoning, I think Monte is more specific also for most drivers.

i was comparing them with other wrc rally's, not with every single rally on the planet. for fins, finland is not special. for mexicans, mexico is not special, ...

gravel and asphalt are the usual surface in the wrc. snow, and asphalt with snow are the exceptions.

[Coach 2]

i was comparing them with other wrc rally's, not with every single rally on the planet. for fins, finland is not special. for mexicans, mexico is not special, ...

gravel and asphalt are the usual surface in the wrc. snow, and asphalt with snow are the exceptions.

I argue just because I think this is an interesting topic, not to pick on you.

But as you understand, I disagree that Swedish is so special as people from the continent constantly mention, and I think it is due to lack of experience driving on studdy tires.
I repeat; It is very similar to driving on gravel.

[dimviii]

I argue just because I think this is an interesting topic, not to pick on you.

But as you understand, I disagree that Swedish is so special as people from the continent constantly mention, and I think it is due to lack of experience driving on studdy tires.
I repeat; It is very similar to driving on gravel.

having grip at snow,is not similar to gravel.If it was similar we had seen plenty south Europe drivers to succeed at Sweden.

[janvanvurpa]

Can not agree with that, at least not entirely. For Russians, baltic (maybe also Polish) and of course Scandinavians, Swedish is not a special rally. They are used with tires that have 20mm studs (6-8mm overhang). They are also used to fast relatively wide forest roads.
(Believe it or not) Driving with spikes is also very similar to various types of gravel.
And with this reasoning, I think Monte is more specific also for most drivers.

Coach, my good friend I lived in Sweden for may years and drove millions of miles on Swedish gravel roads and some are quite wide and very very good surface. I wasn't a rally driver then so I didn't give it a lot of thought. Then.

Of course once I was a rally driver (1984) I, we, all looked at every video we could find...And then I began returning for business (my business was a specialty Saab business emphasis on whole car builds--basically I made rally cars tthat had interiors and taller final drive for "fast road use") and then asked friends in the business about stages and THEN suddenly I was shocked senseless...
Many many were EXTREMELY narrow...

But even now if you look at WRC vids or even (much better) District level Grupp H events the roads you see on the vids look broad and smooth..

So I thought and I think fairly certain the reason you see wide and smooth roads is because---and that's usually going along edges of fields---is because that's where a cameraman can film some action for some duration...because its fields..
If they were deep in the woods, first there no place to stand and second they could only see the car ZIP! for 1 second maybe if lucky 2 seconds..
Around the fields are those chest deep ditches and IN the woods there are stumps of trees and rocks often just 5 cm from the edge of the road..
In short I was scared sh1tless how narrow the roads were, how sometimes chewed up and how fast even locals were all relative to here in Festung Amerika...

In 1993 I visit Monte Carlo because I was "homesick" for France..it was 14 years since I lived and raced all over France...and then went up to Sweden and bought some junky Citroen and went out to Värmland for WRC Sweden...I drove out from several SS after last car and then I get to see how insanely rutted the roads were..VERY! deep ruts and no snow after the first cars, it gets compressed into ICE...

Very special events..very tricky roads..Unique? Finland and Sweden...Monte? a classic but really not since the dropping of the "Concentration Run"..Just a very narrow set of roads and the potential for mixed conditions.
1993 for example clean asphalt for every stage. So it was just an asphalt event...

[Andre Oliveira]

You know Portugal? Lol we don’t have snow or ice in rally for years...