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Thread: FIA: 2019 Rally Ladder Revamp
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20th July 2017, 15:03 #11
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Like I said in the BRC thread, Mahonen should think twice about speaking to journalists with a half-baked plan. Lots of things start to get reported as fact, like the idea the FIA want R2 as the leading class for all national championships.
Is that what Mahonen actually said, or how he meant it? It's not really clear - but that's out there now.RS Motorsport Media - Follow me on Instagram: rsmotorsportmedia
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20th July 2017, 18:54 #12
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Autosport article is confusing; I believe Mahonen was defending the use of a less expensive R2 junior category (a sort of R2 light, like the Fiesta used at the French Junior Championship) in national series, not the promotion of R2 as top national rally category.
Honestly, all ideas to revamp the junior series are welcomed but there’s a bigger picture FIA is missing for a long time: homologated cars (from R1 to R5) are few and expensive, as they're mainly developed by official tuners. We really need a more flexible homologation system to allow private tuners to supply a wider and cheaper range of rally cars, like we used to have in the 80’s and 90’s.Rally addict since 1982
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20th July 2017, 19:10 #13
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There's two sides to that: if we would have more freedom in developing the cars then the guys with bigger wallet would win the races with faster cars, whereas now it's more even.
I like the current system with WRC cars for the WRC series, R5 cars for WRC2 and national series, but I'm not sure what should be below that...
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20th July 2017, 19:29 #14
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The WRC support categories need a revamp. I don't even know why WRC3 still exists. It's useless.
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20th July 2017, 19:54 #15
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You got it wrong mate. I'm talking about freedom of homologation procedures, which nowadays are mainly oriented to manus interests. Gr.N/A rules forced manus to allow private tuners to prepare almost any of their cars; in result we had a vast range of homologated models and we could have them prepared at affordable prices by any local rally tuner.
Nowadays we have only a handful of models at each class of Gr. R, provided (at very expensive prices) by the manus official tuners or rally departments. IMO, that’s not the best way to make the sport more accessible and popular.
Btw, you can get an idea of the large number of homologated cars available for rally in the 80’s and 90’s here http://historicdb.fia.com/cars/list (just choose between Gr.A or N and insert a year).Last edited by Rally Power; 20th July 2017 at 19:57.
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20th July 2017, 22:54 #16
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21st July 2017, 05:19 #17
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But it is a great way for Dave Richards/Prodrive, malcom Wilson/M-sport etc to make lots of millions of Pounds Sterling...
Somebody had said something about "but then rich guys can simply buy all the best stuff and" I guess presumably win-win-win...
Well truth is in car competition its always been that way...
But it least on loose surfaces, gravel and snow, that wasn't an assurance of victory
But at least a person COULD put together a damn near top spec car...no rule prevented anybody from having one...
The currrent thing that only Factory drivers get the car with bigger restrictor, and more aero, that's is so stupid that I can't think of an equivalent metaphor...
Maybe if it was 1500m foot race the rule says ""last years winner gets a 400m head start, and ll you guys who entered yourselves must wear 5kg lead weights on you ankles."
Or if it was shooting with rifles "last years top 6 get new rifles with excellent 4x scope and the target is closer, the rest get old muskets with less than any sights, and target 300m further away...let the best man win"
It would be seen as a farce.John Vanlandingham
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21st July 2017, 07:16 #18
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21st July 2017, 08:40 #19
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21st July 2017, 10:27 #20
Homologated parts were used also during the group A era but it was for sure easier for a privateer to have an almost factory level car. The parts that needed homologation was mainly transmission, suspension, brake and steering parts. All the engine related parts were either free or original. Dampers and springs were also free. Also the basic cars were also “half way” made rally cars.
The FIA’s historic database is very nice.
Toyota Celica ST-205
http://historicdb.fia.com/sites/defa...21_group_a.pdf
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
http://historicdb.fia.com/sites/defa...66_group_a.pdf
On pages 124 – 142 are parts homologated for the world rally car.“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
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Good to see him back in a Skoda, his Octavia WRC days jumped to my mind immediately :D
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