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    FIA: 2019 Rally Ladder Revamp


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    It's not bad. Something cheaper than the R2s will be helpful. I think cost should be capped at 15000€ for the R2 National cars. And then it is of utmost urgency to pump R3s and R4s (or a new category) that could act as an in between the R2 and R5.

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    For me the headline is misleading. They want to set up a talent promoting system through all the levels. I don't mind it but using lesser cars than R2?
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    The title is sensationalist, it's hardly a revamp, they're just talking about something similar to R2 but cheaper and connecting national championships with regional and then world levels. It's vague, they're just thinking about how to do it but I think the principle is good, we'll see what actually happens.

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    Precious little detail in there. Is there some sort of money tree that we don't know about?

    If there could be some underlying challenge running across multiple championships that seems decent. But 'R2 light' is setting the bar too low in my opinion. The existing class structure in rallying seems fine to me? There also seems to be a fairly well defined route upwards - but just like in single seaters, you need some money or backing to progress.

    The really good drivers aren't falling flat on their faces competition-wise when stepping up. Look at Suninen for example through R2 / S2000-R5 / WRC.

    Dmack don't get enough praise for what they do in the sport. One positive step would be to try and mandate that R5 manufacturers have some kind of junior programme/opportunity. But quite a few seem to be doing that anyway.

    National/dealer teams (Skoda UK, M-Sport FFSA, Peugeot Belgium etc) are the holy grail for me, especially if they can run an R2 and an R5.
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    I personally see no reason to introduce anything new except maybe more support for national ASNs to send young drivers in JERC or/and JWRC (many already do that or recently started). That's a really good starter for me.

    Also - do You think that there is not enough young drivers in WRC and that they don't have enough chances? I don't.
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    Talent will normally get you there without the need for an official 'ladder'.

    And I dont like the idea of an 'end of year shoot-out' either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Talent will normally get you there without the need for an official 'ladder'.
    Seems much easier for drivers from Europe than for drivers from anywhere else in the world to get the opportunities, so it wouldn't hurt to try and improve that if possible.

    Suggesting R2 cars for national championships is is just plain stupid though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Suggesting R2 cars for national championships is is just plain stupid though.
    Like I said in the BRC thread, Mahonen should think twice about speaking to journalists with a half-baked plan. Lots of things start to get reported as fact, like the idea the FIA want R2 as the leading class for all national championships.

    Is that what Mahonen actually said, or how he meant it? It's not really clear - but that's out there now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmi View Post
    Like I said in the BRC thread, Mahonen should think twice about speaking to journalists with a half-baked plan. Lots of things start to get reported as fact, like the idea the FIA want R2 as the leading class for all national championships.

    Is that what Mahonen actually said, or how he meant it? It's not really clear - but that's out there now.
    Autosport article is confusing; I believe Mahonen was defending the use of a less expensive R2 junior category (a sort of R2 light, like the Fiesta used at the French Junior Championship) in national series, not the promotion of R2 as top national rally category.

    Honestly, all ideas to revamp the junior series are welcomed but there’s a bigger picture FIA is missing for a long time: homologated cars (from R1 to R5) are few and expensive, as they're mainly developed by official tuners. We really need a more flexible homologation system to allow private tuners to supply a wider and cheaper range of rally cars, like we used to have in the 80’s and 90’s.
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