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    Being smart and pushing where one can, instead of pushing all the time and crashing/breaking the car (sometimes not) is called luck now. Ok...stupidest argument ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    I definitely agree with you but this year Ogier has been lucky indeed.
    Yes, he is very good at judging when to push and when to hold back a little, and helps make his own luck in that way. Probably also helped that the Fiesta seems the strongest car this year when it comes to suspension and impacts etc, like the VW was in its time.

    But for anyone to claim it was skill to escape without major damage when (for one example) spinning out of control between trees after hitting a bank is clearly nonsense - in those moments it really is just luck.

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    You can't disagree Neuville was unlucky this year.
    In Monte Carlo he went maybe 10cm wide, something that happens a lot. Only on that spot he had no room...
    In Sweden he wasn't concentrated enough on the SSS. Stupid mistake, only a minor one, but stupid.
    In Germany he did nothing wrong imo. Just the Hyundai being fragile (same with Sordo and Mikkelsen in Catalunya)
    Catalunya was his fault.

    These mistakes have costed him a lot, to finish less then a rally behind (in points), it's fair to say he could have been the champion.

    But Ogier got more points, so he is the deserved champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    My memory probably escapes me, but when was that?
    Quite incredibly what Ogier gets away with though, first runs over the biggest rock I've ever seen on the road that the spectators didn't move or put there (6 boys all with their phone out) then rams the bank so hard he spins...
    Neuville had a pretty hard hit against a bank early on Rally GB and no damage.

    Luck evens itself out over time and Ogier cant have beeen lucky for 5 years...

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    winners are always more lucky then 'losers'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Luck evens itself out over time and Ogier cant have beeen lucky for 5 years...
    of course he can... the same sewer dogs believe that Loeb was lucky for 9.. so 5 is something normal for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dupanton View Post
    You can't disagree Neuville was unlucky this year.
    In Monte Carlo he went maybe 10cm wide, something that happens a lot. Only on that spot he had no room...
    In Sweden he wasn't concentrated enough on the SSS. Stupid mistake, only a minor one, but stupid.
    In Germany he did nothing wrong imo. Just the Hyundai being fragile (same with Sordo and Mikkelsen in Catalunya)
    Catalunya was his fault.

    These mistakes have costed him a lot, to finish less then a rally behind (in points), it's fair to say he could have been the champion.

    But Ogier got more points, so he is the deserved champion
    But you skip that he got away with about 50 other offroad excursions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munkvy View Post
    Nathan Quinn became the Australian rally champion, basically by default as Molly Taylors engine expired. However he certainly looked quick all weekend, right to the end:


    Did he run normal group N4 car? Or that evo9 was heavily modified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    haha look what M-sport did with Tänaks hotel room, lol

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BbqsD2JF...en-by=otttanak
    And this wasn’t all

    Tanak farewelled from M-Sport with 'wet balls' prank:

    https://t.co/S7HPnZ3Kgf
    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
    - World Rally Champions 2019 -

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    Quote Originally Posted by A FONDO View Post
    But you skip that he got away with about 50 other offroad excursions.
    Did he? I'm sure there were a few, but I think Ogier had bigger offroad excursions without consequences...

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