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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    My memory probably escapes me, but when was that?
    Quite incredibly what Ogier gets away with though, first runs over the biggest rock I've ever seen on the road that the spectators didn't move or put there (6 boys all with their phone out) then rams the bank so hard he spins...
    One definitely in Germany, before actually damaging the suspension and retiring...
    There must be 1-2 more, maybe someone with better memory can recall them

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    Neuville lucky in Argentina not to roll saturday afternoon

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    Has this been seen on here? https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59610340795776

    Not sure where the original images came from. madness....

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    What an idiot! is all that comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    Well, here you have 2 idiots on the onboard footage. Not acceptable, but only 2. No organizer can prevent this, you cannot oversee each and every corner.

    In Poland you had hundreds (maybe thousands) of people. Also safety cars didn't always bother to stop on places where a large number of spectators were unsafe. That's a very different situation.

    Just as you say, you cannot oversee each and every corner. It's not feasible. You can't stop every fool from risking his life to a degree that most people (though not those idiots and those like them) find unacceptable. Even after the zero car passes, the 'fools' in the crowd will move back into a spot that they prefer. Hell, this thread is crawling with people that are considered 'fools' by the FIA because they don't want to stand in the designated spectator spots, which tend to be crowded and pretty far back.

    We need to let people take responsibility for their own safety. Educate them, absolutely, but don't treat them like children. Otherwise this sport, and motorsport in general, is untenable. It is simply not true that there is a completely safe spot to spectate from. It is a difference of degree, not kind. If they can ban spectating from anywhere beyond a designated area, they can ban spectating entirely. And they eventually will, if we let them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose_Unit View Post
    Has this been seen on here? https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59610340795776

    Not sure where the original images came from. madness....
    They should find those people and sue them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTR View Post
    His speed was nothing... If Mikkelsen, Meeke, Breen and Latvala don't crash he wouldn't be there and either Tanak. And this year this was on more ocasions. Pure luck I say... Latvala, Hanninen, Lappi, Lefebvre, especially Paddon, Neuville & Meeke have that much luck than Ogi. I know that maybe a car is something to do but Ostberg's fiesta was almost every where pretty much fragile...
    People still don't get it - The crashers you listed all were probably driving over the limit of what the stage / conditions required, in most cases of their incidents. Ogier (and Loeb before) have less offs and punctures because they have something in hand and are rarely pushing to their absolute max. Other drivers know this and are therefore at a huge psychological disadvantage.
    Luck is what you make it as a driver. Ogier's offs are also usually less damaging than others because he is managing the impact. So yes everyone got away with being quicker than Seb for some stages on some rallies BUT no one (except Tanak for the future) appears to have a brain that says when to roll and when to fold (thanks Kenny Rogers!) such they end up with the most points at the end of the season. Same issue with the Fiesta, it has been driven by a master of finesse and, on the other hand, by someone who has been proudly breaking cars and struggling with set-ups since he got into WRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loose_Unit View Post
    Has this been seen on here? https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59610340795776

    Not sure where the original images came from. madness....
    My twitter, got 150 retweets and it's been posted on Jalopnik and one of Finland biggest news papers so i think they got the point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    People still don't get it - The crashers you listed all were probably driving over the limit of what the stage / conditions required, in most cases of their incidents. Ogier (and Loeb before) have less offs and punctures because they have something in hand and are rarely pushing to their absolute max. Other drivers know this and are therefore at a huge psychological disadvantage.
    Luck is what you make it as a driver. Ogier's offs are also usually less damaging than others because he is managing the impact. So yes everyone got away with being quicker than Seb for some stages on some rallies BUT no one (except Tanak for the future) appears to have a brain that says when to roll and when to fold (thanks Kenny Rogers!) such they end up with the most points at the end of the season. Same issue with the Fiesta, it has been driven by a master of finesse and someone who has been proudly breaking cars and struggling with set-ups since he got into WRC.
    Less risk when pushing combined with less time loss when cruising - this is the highly professional level that makes you a champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    People still don't get it - The crashers you listed all were probably driving over the limit of what the stage / conditions required, in most cases of their incidents. Ogier (and Loeb before) have less offs and punctures because they have something in hand and are rarely pushing to their absolute max. Other drivers know this and are therefore at a huge psychological disadvantage.
    Luck is what you make it as a driver. Ogier's offs are also usually less damaging than others because he is managing the impact. So yes everyone got away with being quicker than Seb for some stages on some rallies BUT no one (except Tanak for the future) appears to have a brain that says when to roll and when to fold (thanks Kenny Rogers!) such they end up with the most points at the end of the season. Same issue with the Fiesta, it has been driven by a master of finesse and someone who has been proudly breaking cars and struggling with set-ups since he got into WRC.
    I definitely agree with you but this year Ogier has been lucky indeed. He had many more excursions off the road than other years, he also spun once in a while. He almost never encountered a tree or a lethal rock when doing that.
    Anyway, talking about "pure luck" or that his "speed was nothing" is just wrong imho.

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