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31st January 2018, 21:53 #1861
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31st January 2018, 21:56 #1862
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31st January 2018, 22:22 #1863
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"With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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31st January 2018, 22:42 #1864
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I was just wondering since studless road tyres are softer than the studded ones.
Studdles fades really fast though, scared myself once only after a few corners on dry tarmac since it was suddenly like driving on marbles.
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31st January 2018, 22:56 #1865
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Perhaps it depends on the manufacturer?!?
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1st February 2018, 03:07 #1866
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1st February 2018, 11:56 #1867
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1st February 2018, 18:54 #1868
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Don't know how it is now but at least few years back the Monte Carlo tyres without studs were actually pretty crappy on snow in comparison to anything except what was available for Monte. In 2010 we had Prague rallysprint with snow (on asphalt - so just like Monte) and no studs allowed. P.G. Andersson was using Monte tyres and he was completely destroyed by guys using stock winter tyres or even protector tyres with a 30-years old rally pattern (used by rallycars in 80'). P.G. himself told me the Monte tyres were really bad without studs exactly because they were too hard.
Check this stage (full snow technical stage quite similar to what You can find in RMC): https://rally-base.com/2010/tipcars-...43&ssGroupId=1
Less than 7 km and PG was 37 seconds slower without spinning or some other mistake. If I remember Valoušek - the fastest guy was on stock 18" wide Nokian WR tyres with additional hand cuts. I don't remember all other but Pech and Štajf were on very old narrow Matador non-studded snow rally tyres (the softest snow rally tyres ever produced I believe).
PS The stock Nokians were gone after 20 km if I remember.Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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1st February 2018, 19:13 #1869
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Think that's why SubaruNorway is asking.
"Studless snow tire" can mean extremely different properties depending on the compound. Stock example since you mentioned Nokian would be the difference between studless Hakkapeliitta and the "Central Europe" WR D3. In full snow/ice conditions it is about as much of a step between them as there is between summer tires and the WR D3. But this also counts the opposite way if it's wet tarmac. The studless Hakkapeliitta feels like jelly compared with the WR D3.
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1st February 2018, 19:22 #1870
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Thank you for the story.
And and this is why i find watching the cars on snow in MC a bit of an anticlimax since i know i could go faster in my own STI in most places. (If I'm brave enough)
A third tyre option for full snow would be good and safer, i wonder if they have tried a stock Michelin winter tyre before to see how it works.
In America they use this funny thing called tractionizing if you haven't seen it before.
https://youtu.be/P5bnYgI30ZQLast edited by SubaruNorway; 1st February 2018 at 19:28.
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Variety. With 4-5 tarmac rallies in calendar, it's good to have some successor to circuit-like Catalunya. Rally wasn't super interesting but wasn't that bad either, I liked saturday stages more....
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