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    Most of the time punctures are not a result of bad luck but a mistake.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    The thing about punctures is valid, because that is mostly pure luck. Now, if a driver finishes ahead of another solely because he went off once and the other went off twice, he deserves to finish ahead regardless of speed.

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    Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Most of the time punctures are not a result of bad luck but a mistake.
    And in the case of Evans it was a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Integrale View Post
    Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.
    Correct, it isnt fair, like in this instance.

    But point that out and everyone says it is fair, because the result is all that matters.

    Why are most if you discussing post-rally when there is nothing to say ? The result tells you everything apparently...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Integrale View Post
    Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.
    That doesn't make much sense. You can't predict when somebody will make a mistake. Sweden 2017 or both Mikkelsen's first victories are perfect examples of the second placed driver inheriting a victory by virtue of making one less mistake than the leader. In those cases the eventual winner deserved the victory.

    Sport isn't fair when a driver drops out of contention due to a failure beyond his control, like Argentina 2016, Finland 2017 or Wales 1998. In both of these cases, while the winners deserved their victories for being the best of the rest, they didn't win because they made less mistakes than the guy ahead, they won because they were luckier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    And in the case of Evans it was a mistake.
    But a puncture in the dark on the first stage and directly before the icy section... so tricky to change the wheel, and then drive on the ice with one stone cold tyre. Big time lost.

    A heavy punishment for a small mistake when others actually went off the road and lost much less time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    That doesn't make much sense. You can't predict when somebody will make a mistake. Sweden 2017 or both Mikkelsen's first victories are perfect examples of the second placed driver inheriting a victory by virtue of making one less mistake than the leader. In those cases the eventual winner deserved the victory.

    Sport isn't fair when a driver drops out of contention due to a failure beyond his control, like Argentina 2016, Finland 2017 or Wales 1998. In both of these cases, while the winners deserved their victories for being the best of the rest, they didn't win because they made less mistakes than the guy ahead, they won because they were luckier.

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    And what's the difference? There's no justice in rallysport and I'm perfectly fine with that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    But a puncture in the dark on the first stage and directly before the icy section... so tricky to change the wheel, and then drive on the ice with one stone cold tyre. Big time lost.

    A heavy punishment for a small mistake when others actually went off the road and lost much less time.
    Shit happenes. So what?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    The name is "rally", you and your cars has to perfrom everywhere, not only on one stage. Puncture is part of performing, call it bad luck or driver`s error. Besides they had their opportunity to pass him. They didn`t use it.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 3rd February 2018 at 09:46.

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    Eddie... Neuville was regarded as the faster driver in the championship last year, quicker than Ogier, but ultimately, Ogier won because he made a better job of it.
    Based on your logic, Ogier shouldn't have won the WDC.....

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