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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    Would make sense for every rally 2 driver on most events...
    I was thinking about this. Apparently the organizers didn't let Ogier start until after the winner and the WRC2 top3, although he wanted to start already before Neuville. If a Rally2 driver would came late into time control, they wouldn't let him start before after the winner, it would mean being late more than 30 minutes and being OTL?

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    These were exceptional circumstances. I bet it never happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    Would make sense for every rally 2 driver on most events...
    Probably, but on the gravel rallies the PS is usually re-run of previous stage, so there wouldn't be much difference. Sweden seems to be the exception with historic cars run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Probably, but on the gravel rallies the PS is usually re-run of previous stage, so there wouldn't be much difference. Sweden seems to be the exception with historic cars run.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I was thinking about this. Apparently the organizers didn't let Ogier start until after the winner and the WRC2 top3, although he wanted to start already before Neuville. If a Rally2 driver would came late into time control, they wouldn't let him start before after the winner, it would mean being late more than 30 minutes and being OTL?
    Actually if less than10 WRC cars, including Rally 2, are still running then the Rally 2 cars could get away with PS waiting. The situation will never be predictable . If you are first by about a minute or less you’d be mad to risk penalty that would lose you 7 points. It gets interesting at fourth place where you have to decide if your pace will get the PS points anyway or if you feel you have the speed to turn 2 lost points into 3, 4 or 5 PS points.
    To stop these Shenanigans PS should be run strictly in Rally order. This means the leader has less chance of taking the 5 PS points. Over the season this might make for closer competition. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    To stop these Shenanigans PS should be run strictly in Rally order. This means the leader has less chance of taking the 5 PS points. Over the season this might make for closer competition. Just a thought.
    +1

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    At fault on Thursday night in the Karlstad super special, the Frenchman then met the worst conditions by being first on the road during the day on Friday. Entangled in the freshly fallen snow, the MSport rider only clocked one time in the top 10 on this first day of racing.

    "Friday was really complicated, but we could not do anything more. We tried to attack several times but under these conditions, it was more like a struggle to stay on the road. "

    Evolving in conditions still delicate on Saturday, the five-time world champion then alternated between the correct (3rd in the SS11 and 4th in the SS15) and the worst. Second on the road behind Henning Solberg, Sébastien Ogier had no opportunity to express himself fully on a field he appreciates despite everything.

    "If we take a look at the ranking of top 3 (Tanak, Latvala and French) in the championship, it is clear that none of us has a chance this weekend. There is no problem with the car, it's just impossible to compensate. The disadvantage is far too important. "

    While hanging on Sunday morning to an anecdotal tenth place in the overall standings synonymous with a single point scored in the championship, the French was then at the heart of an unusual maneuver. Following the decision of his team, he has in fact pointed far behind the start of the Power Stage to take advantage of a more equitable starting order. Author of his best performance of the weekend with the second time, Sebastien Ogier has fully benefited from the decision of his team before it offers him an extra point by downgrading Elfyn Evans in the final standings.

    "It was a decision of the team. For years, I have been fighting against different rules regarding the starting order. At the end of the day, it's a world championship, and everyone tries to do their best and seize every opportunity to score points. I would have preferred to come to Sweden with a real chance to fight for the win or even a podium, but it was not possible since the beginning of the weekend. "

    Now second in the championship behind Thierry Neuville, the five-time world champion will enjoy a slight advantage over his opponent in three weeks on Mexican special where the starting order will again be the focus of discussions.
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    Delighted with Breen's second place at Rally Sweden. Fair play to the young Waterford lad! It's a shame he has to miss the next two rallies - I wonder if there's any way he could land a drive last minute for one of them. I assume the cut-off has already passed for Mexico entries but Corsica?

    In the interest of balance, of course, Neuville put in an impeccable performance. Not sure where I stand on Ogier's power-stage tricks. Still on the fence (though there's another thread for that...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Actually if less than10 WRC cars, including Rally 2, are still running then the Rally 2 cars could get away with PS waiting. The situation will never be predictable . If you are first by about a minute or less you’d be mad to risk penalty that would lose you 7 points. It gets interesting at fourth place where you have to decide if your pace will get the PS points anyway or if you feel you have the speed to turn 2 lost points into 3, 4 or 5 PS points.
    To stop these Shenanigans PS should be run strictly in Rally order. This means the leader has less chance of taking the 5 PS points. Over the season this might make for closer competition. Just a thought.
    You can easely solve the problem by changing the rules so that any penalty at the time control prior to the powerstage will count in the stagetime. So if you have a 10" penalty for being 1 minute late into the time control, they add 10" to the powerstage time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
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    To stop these Shenanigans PS should be run strictly in Rally order. This means the leader has less chance of taking the 5 PS points. Over the season this might make for closer competition. Just a thought.
    How boring would that be on tv?

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