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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    How boring would that be on tv?
    No more so than at present - especially as the season reaches a climax
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Järveoja and Latvala said to estonian TV that the problem is the historic cars. The solution they would see is not to let the historics on the stages between the WRC cars. And Latvala said if they let them then the historics should use the same wide tyre as they are.
    This seems to be the way to legitimate the complaints.

    It's just that the same complaints were used in 2016, with no Historic cars... of course, mainly by Ogier.

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    What was the reason in your opinion then? Why did they lose the most on day 1, 2. loop and the least yesterday (Ogier especially)? There`s quite a margin between a narrow and wide tyre, rwd/4wd/fwd.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 19th February 2018 at 18:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrvold View Post
    This seems to be the way to legitimate the complaints.

    It's just that the same complaints were used in 2016, with no Historic cars... of course, mainly by Ogier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    What was the reason in your opinion then? Why did they lose the most on day 1, 2. loop and the least yesterday (Ogier especially)? There`s quite a margin between a narrow and wide tyre, rwd/4wd/fwd.
    The difference of the grooves where I was was minimal from the end of WRC and Historics. This is also completely ignoring the same complaints from the same person the year there was no Rally Sweden Historic. I have no doubt that RWD cars, FWD cars, JWRC, slow, scared 4WD drivers etc. create strange grooves for the top WRC guys to follow. But this have been the usual complaint from Ogier, regardless of Historic being a part of the rally or not. The only way to avoid any issues like this is to have 15-ish top drivers in WRC17 spec cars only.

    As for the running Historic after the second run - that would make each day extremely drawn out and create loads of dangerous situations with people walking on the road. For the stage I spectated on Friday, the historic would get first car out on stage around 18:00 CET, and not be done until 20:00 ish. Those three extra hours from being complete around 17:00 does make a huge difference in spectator behavior, and not at least getting up and spectating again on Saturday.

    To clarify: I don't doubt that the Historic class are making the grooves hard for the WRC guys, but the issue would still be there without the Historic class - at least for Ogier.

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    Issues yes and complainig ofc also, but conditions should be as equal as possible. This timeloss is too big.

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    Not really an option running historics after the 2nd run as i don't think you would find marshalls willing to stay on a stage for close to 12 hours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    Issues yes and complainig ofc also, but conditions should be as equal as possible. This timeloss is too big.
    He had an advantage in the recent years. Sometimes it's an advantage, sometimes it's not. He should be able to deal with it...

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    Yes, but i`d prefer WRC, when watching WRC.

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