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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
    I think you misread the conversation you jumped into then. Rollo said that "You should be at a distance that you're able to pull up in time no matter what the car in front does," I disagreed that this was a standard in any form of racing, and you said I was wrong.

    Vettel wasn't trying to overtake Hamilton when he ran into the back of the Mercedes, so rules on overtaking aren't really relevant.
    Um, I think that when you run into somebody from the rear, you have overtaken them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    What if he loses control in a third 'category'... such as choking Valteri out on the podium, Jean?
    Well, if Seb mistakenly believes that Valtteri picked up a towel meant for him after the race, yes, he might feel the need to lay hands on Bottas' neck. But as long as he gives a half-hearted apology afterward, I don't think the FIA should impose any sort of heavy penalty. I mean, afterall, Valtteri picking up that towel could be considered provocation. Sometimes ya just gotta choke a guy out when the need arises.
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    I think not but there should be some punishments for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL View Post
    Vettel wasn't trying to overtake Hamilton when he ran into the back of the Mercedes, so rules on overtaking aren't really relevant.
    Good. Let's take this to it's logical conclusion:



    Car in front here deliberately came to a stop.

    Hamilton in the McLaren here is not in the wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Car in front here deliberately came to a stop.

    Hamilton in the McLaren here is not in the wrong?
    I can't really say. I don't remember that incident, I don't know what happened.

    However, if you were to tell me that the two cars were racing each other nose-to-tail at the time, and the Ferrari stopped in a situation where it would not normally be expected to stop, then I'd say the McLaren driver is blameless. I suspect the circumstances of that picture were nothing like that though.
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    I remeber, Lewis driving straight in to the back of Kimis car at Canadas grandprix 2008 i Think. Then justice, Lewis got a penalty. Kimis car was standing still.

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    it also involved Rosberg, who ran into the back of Hamilton right after that picture was taken:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSL8edgC3Y

    both Hamilton and Rosberg were apparently caught out by the pit lane exit being closed. You can just see the light change from red to green right after the second collision happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N4D13 View Post
    My honest impression about this whole debate now:

    Only the dead horse in this instance is the credibility of Jean Todt's FIA. He should resign but l seriously doubt he would.
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