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Thread: Should Vettel be banned?
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28th June 2017, 13:26 #41
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28th June 2017, 14:38 #42
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An admission that it was "deliberate , but instinctual" once resulted in a dropping of points from a whole season .
I find it interesting that even though we've had a number of people wondering if it was actually intentional or whether it was just a bounce of the elbow on the wheel as he began his gesticulating at Hamilton , we've not heard anything about the second contact at all from Vettel .
It seems to make sense that he simply screwed up , and seems an easy way out of this sticky mess , even if it isn't really true .
Coming along side him and waving a WTF at him looked more like what he was up to , and would have been justified , even if only in Seb's head .
A lot of other drivers would have done the same .
But , all seem agreed that the hit wasn't on .
So , why not just say he screwed up while in a tizzy , which is what it looked like , rather than have the question of intent floating out there ?
It makes him seem guilty as charged .
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28th June 2017, 14:53 #43
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Should he get a one race ban? He did bang wheels with Lewis and that's unnecessary.
Anything harsher than that is drunkin' talk.
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28th June 2017, 17:17 #44
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Wow, l wonder what race you were watching. Jonny Herbert tried to make this point but when viewed from the rear to the front, it was very clearly a deliberate action. You could see that he took great care to align to the tyres of Hamilton's car and violently turned into it.
What he did not do is unwittingly drift into Hamilton's car, which would have been a gentle drift and impact into Hamilton's tyres. We can undoubtedly rule out mistake due to loss of concentration. We can also undoubtedly state that it was a red mist reaction which was calculated to ensure the action only catches Hamilton's attention without doing damage this his or Hamilton's car.
I have to say, most in the sky F1 were surprisingly too obvious in trying to dumb this down the severity of the incident. If this was a headbutt, which is the equivalent of the action, l suppose they would be saying it was only a light knock. It kind of diminishes the credibility of that team.Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
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28th June 2017, 17:28 #45
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I think you are quite correct in some respects. I am not sure degree of intent would have much bearing here. Intent was demonstrated by driving up alongside Hamilton. In this circumstances, even an accidental bump due to loss of focus would have been punishable. The real problem here was a clear demonstration of aggression which involved him using his vehicle as a weapon to intimidate another driver. This is what was very serious and the very point that made the stewards decision on the matter very questionable.
I think it could be very damaging for the sport if the FIA appear lenient as it would show nonchalance on the matter.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 28th June 2017 at 17:31.
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28th June 2017, 18:17 #46
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28th June 2017, 19:06 #47
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I haven't read all of the replies, but regarding the thread title, I think it depends on if you are a Vettel supporter or not.
I like him (and I like Hamilton too, incidentally), so I think not. Although Vettel's actions were at least a bit close to the mark, all I see here are parallels with that of Michael. All things considered, that doesn't amount to a bad thing, in my opinion.
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28th June 2017, 19:08 #48
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Sorry, just to add: I think the concern here is more to do with Vettel's attitude than the actual consequences of his action. If he had knocked Hamilton out of the race then it would have been a different matter.
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28th June 2017, 19:23 #49
I think a one race suspension would be reasonable and proportionate. I don't think anything more than that would be justified (and something like dropping all points or a season ban would be a disaster for the sport; I really don't think that will happen).
I don't think that the rationale of Jerez '97 really applies here. In that case, we had a championship being decided in the last race of the season, and there needed to be a very strong message that the leader taking out themselves and their only realistic rival in that situation isn't to be tolerated... and I really don't imagine that anybody thinks Vettel was trying to actually crash Hamilton out of the race.
Vettel's intent is probably going to get talked about a lot. If he did deliberately crash into Hamilton, obviously that would be very bad, but I'm not convinced the alternative of "I lost control of the car because I was angry and took my hands off the steering wheel" is so much better.
For the record, I don't think it was intentional for him to actually make contact. But he clearly lost control of his car by being stupid and losing his temper. F1 drivers should be better than that, although I understand there's a lot of adrenalin in the cockpit.
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28th June 2017, 19:32 #50
Vettel should have been black flagged. Not 100% sure how intentional it was, the replays I have seen don't show if he deliberately steered into him, nor is it like he tried to take him out. 10 stop and go wasn't enough.
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