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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelly View Post
    Tanak is going to Toyota should be announced in the coming days! Was told by a very reliable source on the way home from Spain this morning
    What I've been saying all along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    a) So the cars were not capable to win all events. That's right Guess who is the ONLY one capable to get 'the most out from each event?
    b) A minimal difference means that the championship is decided 3 events before finish?
    a) If "the most" for the car is 5-6th place in every event it doesn't matter much that the driver can achieve it in. Just after Finland people were writing Ogier off and Neuville was actually leading... and now Neuville gets two zeros and suddenly Ogier is the god almighty. I cheer on Ogier this year, but lets keep things real.

    b) 1 DNF (technical/crash) and suddenly it's not decided at all. Anyway the point is that Tanak in same car with 3 crashes and 2 rally wins is not far behind shows that Seb is beatable.

    But clearly this is pointless cause you have decided who is the ONLY one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    a) If "the most" for the car is 5-6th place in every event it doesn't matter much that the driver can achieve it in. Just after Finland people were writing Ogier off and Neuville was actually leading... and now Neuville gets two zeros and suddenly Ogier is the god almighty. I cheer on Ogier this year, but lets keep things real.

    b) 1 DNF (technical/crash) and suddenly it's not decided at all. Anyway the point is that Tanak in same car with 3 crashes and 2 rally wins is not far behind shows that Seb is beatable.

    But clearly this is pointless cause you have decided who is the ONLY one.

    a) What championship have you watched? Ogier has always been the best, even after Finland to me. The "people" that were writing Ogier off are result oriented people and I am not among them . Ogier is not suddenly the god, he is dominating since 2013 and this year despite the difficulties has been capable to bring the car home getting the most from each event, contrary to his opponents that have not been able to do it. Like Neuville, that crashed in SSS while giving himself 80% to win championship. These are "real" things as well.

    b) Ogier is human and beatable for sure but you said to keep things real and then you write an hypotesis. At the moment he is still the best. I hope Tanak will continue improving but he has to do it otherwise he is not yet at that level.
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    https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/statu...44496078364672

    Is this the week for a driver announcement in #WRC? Eyes peeled everyone, I think something is expected ��

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    No doubt Ott has landed a huge contract but I'm surprised he agreed to this move so early. The deal has been done for a while now if the rumours are correct, which I find a bit strange considering everything Malcolm has done for him. Don't know why he couldn't have waited a month or two longer, even just up to Spain/Wales to give Malcolm every chance to get Ford back or a title sponsor.

    I also hope this doesn't mirror Duvals move to Citroen from Ford, or Martin's move to Peugeot. Both went for the money and lure of a team with a bigger budget, but both found it very difficult adjusting to a new car and finding the same pace they had. Mikko moving to Citroen was a similar case and Jari to VW slightly less so, but he still lost quite a bit of his raw speed for the first year especially. Drivers do find it difficult after leaving Ford/ Msport, that's just a historical fact. I hope it will be different for Ott because no doubt this season has been a huge step forward for him, in every single aspect. He's been brilliant.

    Surely with Martin being Tanaks mentor somewhat, they've talked this through - the positives and the negatives. Given Otts age, he's got time on his side and I would have recommended to stay at Msport for one more season - even without the huge finance (if Malcolm can't get anything sorted). It's *his* car and he'd go into next season as maybe a title favourite (especially if seb goes to Citroen). Now he's lost that advantage and drivers like Jari and Neuville will start next season in cars that they are used to, and have fine tuned to their driving style. Even worse for Ott's championship hopes would be Seb staying at Msport, and starting a new season in the same car and building on his already great form.

    The big contract for multiple years, the lure of being part of a big manufacturer team, and being based in Finland/ Estonia obviously made it too hard to resist and i can clearly see why he decided to go for it, but I just think he could have waited another year for this move.
    Stay at Msport and have a big go for the title, then next year if the development slows up or there's still no signs of extra budget, Ott would not only have the option of Toyota for 2019, but Citroen and Hyundai as well (considering both of those teams would have multiple drivers out of contract).

    Let's hope he has no trouble adapting to the Yaris and continues his upward trajectory though, because there's no doubt he's capable of being a championship winner. He has the speed now on all surfaces and the consistency as well. Toyota have exceeded a lot of expectations this year and the car is fast, but is quite a bit behind the Fiesta in terms of reliability and being good on all surfaces - the Yaris needs a bit of work on rougher gravel rallies.

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    https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/sta...58582421856256

    Told by a very well placed source that Tanak's move to Toyota is a done deal. Tell you why I think it's a bit of a gamble from the KT later
    KT being Kitchen Table, a podcast coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well he's not driving a WRC car in 2018 for sure.
    Im not sure about later part of season 2018.
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    2018 Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    https://twitter.com/voiceofrally/sta...58582421856256


    KT being Kitchen Table, a podcast coming soon.
    Looking forward to fifteen minutes of contradictory waffle.


    KT bingo:
    Some speculation about the length of Ott's contract
    How will he establish himself between Latvala and Lappi - is he a team leader
    When will Latvala retire - is that Ott's big opportunity
    The fact that Ott has shown better than Latvala on asphalt this year - the missing piece of Latvala's jigsaw
    How big the Toyota budget is
    How good a car the Yaris is
    How good will the development be next year - is it the best car or have others moved ahead, ie Citroen
    What next for MSport - if Seb goes to Citroen who is left on the market
    Some speculation about Paddon moving to MSport to partner Evans and Sunninen

    Etc. Etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    So this year's drives in WRC2 with still no deal reached? is it only "test" drives?
    Yes. They made deal for 3 Rallies (ERC+ 2x WRC2)
    Nothing more at the moment.
    But I would give biggest % for M-Sport deal 2018.
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Got to hand it to Colin and Becs they are making money/careers out of old woman gossip so all power to them.

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