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    Think you are a bit blinded by the recent 2 good rallies. It certainly wasn't looking anywhere that good after weak performances in Sardinia and Poland and off in Finland. If he does not have competitive and reliable car steady finishes won't help him. The margins are really small.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that the combination of reliability and speed is significantly better than others, but it's not unbeatable. Not with all (or at least 3) cars competitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassist View Post
    Agree, isn't five enough? No doubting the man's talent, but let's give more youngsters seats.
    Yeeees. I'm not only one who thinks about that.

    Nandan said that the team are in talks with Ogier for future, but not for 2018 they have 4 drivers signed and have no available seat. 3 of their drivers have contract for 2018. Only Mikkelsen have also 2019.

    And I hope they would not sign him. They can win without him. Toyota maybe is not interested in him because he turns them down once.

    And whoever thinks that Hyundai can only win by him under the roof. If Latvala wouldn't have bad luck this year and Neuville mistakes he would have no chance. And I think that this is luck for him this year and please don't sa opposite because we all know that he is strugling much more than last year. Most of his good results are coming because of mistakes and misfortunes of others.

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    If there are 3 competitive cars with Meeke, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Tanak, Latvala and Lappi all capable of winning on any given day which of these drivers will put together enough second and third places to gain points where one driver is winning? Which of these drivers has ever indicated they can handle the pressure of expectation? Which of these will be so superior under all conditions that they will win more than 4 events in the season. Yes Ogier had a poor run (unusual for him) but was anyone really able to capitalise by being the dominant force at that time?
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    Tänak and Latvala have been very consistent and fast this year. If not so anxious for that Rally Poland win instead of 2. place, three cylinders in Monte (2.--->3.), overheating issues in Mexico, team error on Rally Sweden final day, that didn`t allow him to compete for vicory, failed PS win in Sweden, things would be quite nice for Tänak. Latvala would be also close if not for the mech. issues...Neuville lost his championship in Spain.
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    Neuville lost his championship on the Monte.... and by extension, Ogier won his!
    What people appear to overlook is that where one of the challengers might have done well that would normally have been at the expense of other challengers, not the champ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    Tänak and Latvala have been very consistent and fast this year. If not so anxious for that Rally Poland win instead of 2. place, failed PS win in Sweden, things would be quite nice for Tänak. Latvala would be also close if not for the mech. issues...Neuville lost his championship in Spain.
    According to my calculations if Latvala had finished 1st in Finland, 2nd in Poland and 6th in Germany and Spain, scoring two PS points in each, he'd be trailing Ogier by 8 points. He's my number one title challenger for next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Neuville lost his championship on the Monte.... and by extension, Ogier won his!
    What people appear to overlook is that where one of the challengers might have done well that would normally have been at the expense of other challengers, not the champ.
    Umm, they all have "benefitted" from eachothers mistakes and that is part of (motor)sport. Ogier`s best examples are RMC, Sweden and Poland, in these cases he has won or claimed P3. Anyway, there`s a clear indicator now, that even 2 events before the end there is a mathemathical chance that Tänak or Neuville can get the title (yes, very slim, but it is there), whereas in last years things have been clear much before, that he is the champion...Spain 2016 for example.
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    Tanak is going to Toyota should be announced in the coming days! Was told by a very reliable source on the way home from Spain this morning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    If there are 3 competitive cars with Meeke, Neuville, Mikkelsen, Tanak, Latvala and Lappi all capable of winning on any given day which of these drivers will put together enough second and third places to gain points where one driver is winning? Which of these drivers has ever indicated they can handle the pressure of expectation? Which of these will be so superior under all conditions that they will win more than 4 events in the season. Yes Ogier had a poor run (unusual for him) but was anyone really able to capitalise by being the dominant force at that time?

    a) you assume that all 3 cars are capable of winning on any given day.. that is never really the case. Citroen and Hyundai for example were clearly incapable of winning in Finland. Toyota was clearly incapable of winning in Mexico etc..

    b) as others did you can use Tanak in same car as reference and the difference is rather minimal this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    a) you assume that all 3 cars are capable of winning on any given day.. that is never really the case. Citroen and Hyundai for example were clearly incapable of winning in Finland. Toyota was clearly incapable of winning in Mexico etc..

    b) as others did you can use Tanak in same car as reference and the difference is rather minimal this year
    a) So the cars were not capable to win all events. That's right Guess who is the ONLY one capable to get 'the most out from each event?
    b) A minimal difference means that the championship is decided 3 events before finish?

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