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    I never understand why Hyundai took Mikkelsen and let Ogier go to the competition. If Neuville would have been a problem then let him go, if you want to win the title you need Ogier not an arrogant boy who offend his teammates, believes himself as the best drivers around and win nothing at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    All this previously by Ogier, 'I want to get my future sorted out early' ... it was just wishful thinking by him.

    Contracts with several teams and undecided manufacturer's in the mix are complex. They inevitably take time and patience.

    Something everyone on here needs to learn.
    It could be that Ogier is afraid of Citroen developing on gravel and he wants to be reassured about Citroen's commitment on the development of the car in terms of resources and investments. I'm afraid Citroen doesn't want to invest too much on WRC and have quite limited budget.

    Another reason could be the fact that he wants to develop the car the way he wants and maybe that requires more than a talk before closing the deal, since that would be disruptive for the team as is right now.

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    Like Ogier said, it's complicated and slow negotiating with multiple teams and with multiple factors in the game (Ford's decisions?, Red Bull / Abu Dhabi clashes?, FIA four car rules?).

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    Kalle Rovanperä has 3 options for 2018 and beyond:

    M-Sport, Malcolm wants 3-years deal, Jouhki maybe doesn´t want to commit Kalle that long

    Skoda, fastest R5 but what after that, WRC from where?

    Toyota, gazoo junior program can offer him R5 car (Fabia or Fiesta) and he can test WRC, easiest team to work with and only 2km from home.

    Any of those 3 would not surprise me as Kalle´s 2018 team.
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    Without any particular team bias I'd have thought Ogier will have just as good a chance of a 6th WDC by staying with M-Sport than going to Hyundai. Mikkelsen, Neuville, Paddon and Whoever sounds like a recipe for a 'who gets the sandpit in a kindergarten' fight. Meeke will be Meeke in the C3 and Toyota have what appears to be the team that has the philosophy from a Brit Comedy show, League of Gentlemen - 'This is a local shop for local people!'
    The conditions that have occurred this year will remain, sometimes a driver will shine and others they will be disappointing. The real challenger would seem to be Tanak, so far better for Ogier to stay as his Team Leader and maintain the ultra consistency approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    I never understand why Hyundai took Mikkelsen and let Ogier go to the competition. If Neuville would have been a problem then let him go, if you want to win the title you need Ogier not an arrogant boy who offend his teammates, believes himself as the best drivers around and win nothing at the end.
    When was getting Ogier instead of Mikkelsen an option?
    After Germany Mikkelsen was available and wanted to drive next rallies. Citroen let him go and Hyundai took him. While he certainly wanted a salary I guess it was quite a lot below Ogier-money.

    - if Hyundai have the money they are likely still in talks with Ogier (rumors seem to suggest this)
    - if they don't have this kind of money they could have passed on Mikkelsen (who might have ended somewhere else, or not) and waited if they can get Ogier "cheap" after Citroen and M-Sport didn't get him

    Note that Citroen basically went for the second option, time will tell if that was clever. In any case for Citroen it wasn't Ogier or Mikkelsen, it's Mikkelsen for sure or maybe Ogier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Without any particular team bias I'd have thought Ogier will have just as good a chance of a 6th WDC by staying with M-Sport than going to Hyundai. Mikkelsen, Neuville, Paddon and Whoever sounds like a recipe for a 'who gets the sandpit in a kindergarten' fight. Meeke will be Meeke in the C3 and Toyota have what appears to be the team that has the philosophy from a Brit Comedy show, League of Gentlemen - 'This is a local shop for local people!'
    The conditions that have occurred this year will remain, sometimes a driver will shine and others they will be disappointing. The real challenger would seem to be Tanak, so far better for Ogier to stay as his Team Leader and maintain the ultra consistency approach.
    lol @ Toyota

    If M-Sport does not have money to keep developing the car Ogier's chances would diminish fast imo. Malcolm said it multiple times how they can't afford this next year without extra money.
    But Ogier in Hyundai would be terrible for overall competition.

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    As for 2017 we can all agree that Ogier has the best and most reliable car.

    How well would have he done in a Citroen, Toyota or Hyundai this year?

    As for Toyota don’t let the barnyard Finnish workshop fool you. The design and engineering gone into their chassis is above others. It’s a Toyota backed program with all of of Toyota’s resources and not a privateer team with limited budget.

    M-sport could fall behind if they have a limited budget. Toyota and Hyundai will continue to dump money into their program. They’re in it to win it. Citroen will also have a better car next year, but it seems like they’re are issues with a Red Bull / Ogier combo.

    Latvala, Nueville, Tanak and even Meeke are capable of winning next year if the car fits their style. I almost think 2018 will be more interesting than 2017.
    Last edited by racerx1979; 9th October 2017 at 10:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    When was getting Ogier instead of Mikkelsen an option?
    After Germany Mikkelsen was available and wanted to drive next rallies. Citroen let him go and Hyundai took him. While he certainly wanted a salary I guess it was quite a lot below Ogier-money.

    - if Hyundai have the money they are likely still in talks with Ogier (rumors seem to suggest this)
    - if they don't have this kind of money they could have passed on Mikkelsen (who might have ended somewhere else, or not) and waited if they can get Ogier "cheap" after Citroen and M-Sport didn't get him

    Note that Citroen basically went for the second option, time will tell if that was clever. In any case for Citroen it wasn't Ogier or Mikkelsen, it's Mikkelsen for sure or maybe Ogier.
    You have a point and that could be how things went but my question is still valid. If Hyundai is there to win the WRC, why they didn't pick the driver who would have assured that?
    The situation of other drivers, their lineup opinions, even the organization of budget (which I don't think is lower than other teams), all is secondary in my opinion.

    Ogier would have accepted soon, they have a strong car, a strong organization, full backing from the company and they are based in Germany, which is good for him and his family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Kalle Rovanperä has 3 options for 2018 and beyond:

    M-Sport, Malcolm wants 3-years deal, Jouhki maybe doesn´t want to commit Kalle that long
    So this year's drives in WRC2 with still no deal reached? is it only "test" drives?

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