2018 Teams

[ESTR]

Some statistics over Tidemand & Suninen...

Suninen:
-Championships won: 0
-Rallies won: 5 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Podiums: 10 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Other: 1 won in Euro RX (Super1600), 2 podiums EuroRX (Super1600)
-Retires: 2

TIDEMAND:
-Championships won: 1 (JWRC), 1 (WRC2)
-Rallies won: 3 (JWRC), 8 (WRC2)
-Podiums: 1 (SWRC), 8 (JWRC), 17 (WRC2), overall podium (JWRC)
-Retires: 7
-Other: 1 podium EuroRX (Supercar), Overall Podium on EuroRX championship (Supercar)

btw Tidemand become most successful driver in WRC2 with most wins.

Sure Suninen have 2 events in WRC '17 car. And he show some speed there (but if he wouldn't pay for these drives then he wouldn't have it).

We will see who will have more backing and get into the DMACK car maybe...

[AL14]

Some statistics over Tidemand & Suninen...

Suninen:
-Championships won: 0
-Rallies won: 5 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Podiums: 10 (WRC2), 2 (WRC3)
-Other: 1 won in Euro RX (Super1600), 2 podiums EuroRX (Super1600)
-Retires: 2

TIDEMAND:
-Championships won: 1 (JWRC), 1 (WRC2)
-Rallies won: 3 (JWRC), 8 (WRC2)
-Podiums: 1 (SWRC), 8 (JWRC), 17 (WRC2), overall podium (JWRC)
-Retires: 7
-Other: 1 podium EuroRX (Supercar), Overall Podium on EuroRX championship (Supercar)

btw Tidemand become most successful driver in WRC2 with most wins.

Sure Suninen have 2 events in WRC '17 car. And he show some speed there (but if he wouldn't pay for these drives then he wouldn't have it).

We will see who will have more backing and get into the DMACK car maybe...

No point to compare raw numbers without taking into account that Pontus is in WRC since 2012 (or was it 13?) while Suninen made his debut in a 4WD 2 years ago.

[ESTR]

No point to compare raw numbers without taking into account that Pontus is in WRC since 2012 (or was it 13?) while Suninen made his debut in a 4WD 2 years ago.

In 2012 Tidemand race only one event in 4WD S2000 car (he finished on 3rd place)...

The rest 2012 & 2013 season he drove FWD Fiesta.

In 2014 he enter 3 events with r5 car (2 podiums, one 4th place).

Real season in 4WD car come in 2015 and forwards.

So that mean he have 4 rallies more experience in 4WD car than Teemu. Teemu have 2 in WRC '17, Pontus none.

Aren't that quite equal??

[electroliquid]

Talking about experience Suninen did 51 rally (according ewrc-results.com) while Tidemand 111 - thats twice. Also Tidemand did APRC with diferent roads and conditions. Is Tidemand better - I think so, Suninen still quite raw, but fast enough to do OK in WRC already. So gat is not that big, as ESTR trying to prove.

[N.O.T]

Fuck suninen. I would go with Pontus. He is capable more than Suninen. If Suninen were that good he would not be sitting on third place. And with M-Sport team (sure he do 2 events in WRC car), but he isn't quite there yet.

Watch your language kid...

[ESTR]

Watch your language kid...

Best of all you are loud here, while everytime you comment on someone you insult people wit potato, how stupid everyone is and that everyone is a kids. And I don't mention how you insult Neuville wit potato comments... I just say you are probably some 35 old dude still living with parents. So shhh here!

[JUF]

Can´t we just agree that both Suninen and Tidemand deserve a shot in a World Rally Car? Maybe not a full season next year, but at least six or seven rounds?

[AL14]

In 2012 Tidemand race only one event in 4WD S2000 car (he finished on 3rd place)...

The rest 2012 & 2013 season he drove FWD Fiesta.

In 2014 he enter 3 events with r5 car (2 podiums, one 4th place).

Real season in 4WD car come in 2015 and forwards.

So that mean he have 4 rallies more experience in 4WD car than Teemu. Teemu have 2 in WRC '17, Pontus none.

Aren't that quite equal??

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Before Suninen made his first appearance with R5 Tidemand was already in the WRC2 and made other appearances with R5, and also drove a WRC in 2014 in Sweden.

[AL14]

Can´t we just agree that both Suninen and Tidemand deserve a shot in a World Rally Car? Maybe not a full season next year, but at least six or seven rounds?

Yes but discussion about who deserve more, if made properly without motherland glasses, can be interesting.
As I already said, if I were a team principal I would go with Teemu over Pontus.

[Rally Power]

Can´t we just agree that both Suninen and Tidemand deserve a shot in a World Rally Car?

Yep, that’s actually the main point: there’s no need to undermine Suninen in order to praise Tidemand (or vice versa).

Rally is the coolest motorsport form: drivers don’t compete directly against each others; they compete against the clock. It’s a much friendlier environment than circuit racing. We should act likewise and try to respect all top drivers, not just those we tend to prefer.