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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I was talking about the cost of running a 4th car AND paying a driver.
    It’s really hard to understand your objection to a possible 4 cars rule next year. Anyone should be delighted with it, because it means more official cars to watch and more opportunities for young drivers, making the series even more competitive.

    Besides, MSport main target isn’t the manu title (Wilson said it many times) and they’re used to have paying drivers running on their team, so this probably won’t be a logistical and financial nightmare for MSport, like you're predicting.
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    Let's put Mads scoring this year and you have 4 M-Sport WRC cars

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    If we assume three car teams, we have four paths to speculate now. Ford will either return or Ogier goes to Citroen, and Tänak can go to Toyota or stay at Ford/M-Sport.

    1. Ford team returns
    I don't see any changes happening to the current seats, except that Toyota may want to exchange Hänninen for Suninen. But it would be a risk with having two rather inexperienced drivers in the same team.

    2. Ford team returns, but Tänak still goes to Toyota
    This way, I would replace Tänak with Suninen, and Hänninen is left without a seat.

    3. No Ford return, Tänak stays, Ogier goes to Citroen
    Lefebvre is put aside to drive the C3 R5, Suninen sits in the DMack car with Evans and Tänak in the M-Sport cars. Hänninen gets to stay at Toyota.

    4. No Ford return, Tänak goes to Toyota and Ogier goes to Citroen
    Same as scenario 3, but Hänninen is now dropped for Tänak. M-Sport has one available seat, I'd assume Wilson puts Camilli there (he could also prefer Camilli to Suninen in scenarios 2-3). Or could this be Tidemand's chance? His manager didn't like the idea of having to pay for a drive...

    Also in all above scenarios, Al-Qassimi and Loeb could drive Citroen here and there. And also I don't see any changes at the Hyundai camp, Paddon and Sordo would have to share the third car.

    And I'd put my money on scenario 4...
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    Another interesting factor was posed by the Absolute Rally podcast. If Ogier goes to Citroen, will he hang on to the massive Red Bull sponsorship like at VW and M-Sport? And how would that fit in with Abu Dhabi? Would it just give Citroen more budget or would Qassimi take Abu Dhabi money to M-Sport?

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    Isn't Red Bull just his personal sponsor? Not sure what the problem would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    1. Ford team returns
    I don't see any changes happening to the current seats, except that Toyota may want to exchange Hänninen for Suninen. But it would be a risk with having two rather inexperienced drivers in the same team.

    2. Ford team returns, but Tänak still goes to Toyota
    This way, I would replace Tänak with Suninen, and Hänninen is left without a seat.

    3. No Ford return, Tänak stays, Ogier goes to Citroen
    Lefebvre is put aside to drive the C3 R5, Suninen sits in the DMack car with Evans and Tänak in the M-Sport cars. Hänninen gets to stay at Toyota.

    4. No Ford return, Tänak goes to Toyota and Ogier goes to Citroen
    1. Not going to happen

    2. Possible

    3. Also not true

    4. This is also possible but I don´t want it to happen.

    5. Ogier and Tänak to Toyota, my personal favourite

    6. No Ford return, Tänak goes to Toyota and Ogier stays M-Sport

    For those original 4 options my answer is 2.
    and reserve answer is 6. Number 5 maybe only my dream
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    5. Ogier and Tänak to Toyota, my personal favourite
    Would you drop Latvala or Lappi?
    6. No Ford return, Tänak goes to Toyota and Ogier stays M-Sport
    Ogier has said he wants to be at a factory team. And Wilson has said he cannot afford another 2017 season. Even if they got a big sponsor to fund Ogier's salary for 2018, they would still need more funds to further develop the car.
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    As numerous times before I am not in on the Suninen hype just yet.

    - for money reasons it's probably more likely Camilli drives at M-Sport (but who knows how much Joukhi can bring for Suninen)
    - for sporting reasons Tidemand is just as likely

    It is entirely possible to get to WRC too early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    for money reasons it's probably more likely Camilli drives at M-Sport).
    What does this mean? I thought Camilli was Wilson's "investment of the future" and his contract is ending at the end of 2017. His car has no external sponsor decals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    What does this mean? I thought Camilli was Wilson's "investment of the future" and his contract is ending at the end of 2017. His car has no external sponsor decals.
    Camilli definitely has money. Apparently a backer in Monaco.

    My bet is there won't be a Ford return, Ogier will go to Citroen, Tanak will go to Toyota.

    It leaves MSport in a bit of bother as there aren't many rally winning drivers available. Evans and Ostberg are definitely reliable finishers but not going to win any titles with that line-up.


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