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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    for sure huge potential ,but he has to fine tune his driving,and we don't know if he is able to do it.He will not be lucky every time to spin with 5th gear into the trees and continue without damage.
    See Meeke for example.
    Luck is what You made it. He seems to know where he would "get through" with overdriving, more or less, probably sometimes the "luck" won't work, but this rally seems to show he is able to judge more dangerous and less dangerous. In the end he was overdriving a lot, imagine he achieved 2nd place, which wasn't that far away just 2 stages to the end, he wasn't that lucky after all.
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    An interesting observation is the speed of WRC2 this year. Last year Lappi finished less than five minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 122.8.kph This year's WRC2 winner Jari Huttunen finished over ten minutes behind overall winner, with average speed of 118.2 kph. That kind of result would have been fourth, maybe sixth in WRC2 last year, even with Tidemand retiring on the last stage. So there's still work for him to do, as well for all the R5 drivers this year. You could argue that the route this year was worse for R5 cars, but we can compare also Lempää, which was exactly the same this year, and Greensmith's fastest time is almost 6 seconds slower than Tidemand's last year.

    EDIT: Looking closer, it's probably just that the route was made much slower with chicanes, and the WRC cars compensated that by being so much faster, whereas R5 cars were slowed down.
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    @AnttiL You forgot that the World Rally Cars have become faster while the R5 cars haven't. I don't think that the difference is really five minutes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUF View Post
    @AnttiL You forgot that the World Rally Cars have become faster while the R5 cars haven't. I don't think that the difference is really five minutes...
    Yeh, the route was slowed down exactly the same amount that WRC's got faster, since the winning average speeds were about the same. But I believe that's only 50% of the difference for R5 cars. Like I said, the stage times this year on stages that weren't slowed down were slower. Also, we saw how Veiby was the fastest R5 car before crashing. And usually Tidemand is faster than him, and last year Lappi and Suninen were faster than Tidemand.

    If we compare the fastest R2 cars, last year Max Vatanen was 26 minutes behind the winner with 108.8 avg speed. This year Nicolas Ciaman was 28 minutes behind the winner with 106.3 average speed. The difference isn't that big there.

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    Hey guys, does anybody have a link for Ogier's crash from a fan's eye view? (& not something that belongs to WRC.com) thankx

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    AnttiL you forgot that this year specially on saturday road conditions were more wet/damp


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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    AnttiL you forgot that this year specially on saturday road conditions were more wet/damp
    That's true as well.

    We can also look at the points table and see that the best WRC2 point scorers weren't driving this year, and the WRC2 top 3 of last year went to WRC, so it was expected to have a lower level than last year.

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    I only realized afterwards that Veiby skipped Portugal, which is a mandatory round in WRC2, so therefore he has already contested in five rounds in WRC2, with two more mandatory rounds, and seven is the maximum. That's why he wasn't going for WRC2 points in Finland.

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