74th PZM Rally Poland

[mknight]

While that explains exactly this rally it is just technicalities due to the already planned schedule. IF the rules was fixed that Rally2 has to drive first they'd just need to take it into account in the schedule beforehand.

Pluto said there is no fixed rules for that part. Which would explain it all. Sounds a bit hard to believe that teams accept that kind of "randomness" at this level.

[dimviii]

fast.. https://youtu.be/6xikS0s_ouM

Neuville less sideways from these 4 .

[KKS]

IF the rules was fixed that Rally2 has to drive first they'd just need to take it into account in the schedule beforehand.

WRC Sporting reg's didn't have a special note about power stage running order, but they have this

35.2 EXIT FROM A REGROUPExcept after an overnight regroup and before the start of the Power Stage, the cars shall re-start in the orderof arrival at the regroup.

So rules approve that Latvala move but didn't describe who pick a running order

[rallyfiend]

It's very simple

Start time of 1st car at SS22 was 10:45
Latvala's stage start was 11:21

1st car enter to regroup at 11:32
So Latvala time for regroup in - 12:08

1st car to leave regroup at 12:02 and it was a 4 min interval so
2nd at 12:06
3rd at 12:10 (2 min after Latvala in) - it was very risky give him only 2min to regroup
4th and actually Latvala time for regroup out - 12:14. And 6 min for regroup for Latvala.
Standard time of regroup - 30min

Yeah, so basically, they put him in the Power Stage at reasonably the first possible opportunity.

In those conditions, I don't think this would have had a huge impact on the outcome.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier: "I have never been a kamikaze behind the wheel. I have always trusted in my feeling above all else and I tend not to force things if I feel I'm not 100% in control. It was the case on those ploughed up and super slippery roads, and at times I didn't dare take those additional risks to have the optimum speed."

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july-...6--12-12-.html

[dimviii]

Latvala problems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_WcXQF5SFY

[tommeke_B]

A few photos from me. In terms of safety it was worse than last year. It's quite simple, Polish spectators are very difficult to handle. Also the organization is doing very little to keep them safe. For spectating it's the best and most spectacular event, but if we're really honest, an event with this kind of organization doesn't deserve a place in WRC.











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[KKS]

Yeah, so basically, they put him in the Power Stage at reasonably the first possible opportunity.

In those conditions, I don't think this would have had a huge impact on the outcome.

But it's a bit of problem here. If road position will be very bad for rally2 driver who really WANT that 5pts - he must do late at regroup-in to be as far as he want. But he didn't get a TV coverage, but who care if you want 5pts.

[mknight]

Time differences on PS are always very small. Road position difference between 4th or 6th on the road is probably negligible, but on gravel rallies there will always be huge difference between 1st and 3rd+.

That's why I find it outrageous that such an important point is not clearly defined in the rules... and even more outrageous that teams don't seem to complain loud about it. That said as far as I can see Poland is the first rally of the year where a Rally2 driver didn't go before "normal" drivers.

[sonnybobiche]

A few photos from me. In terms of safety it was worse than last year. It's quite simple, Polish spectators are very difficult to handle. Also the organization is doing very little to keep them safe. For spectating it's the best and most spectacular event, but if we're really honest, an event with this kind of organization doesn't deserve a place in WRC.

I disagree. This is the first rally in a long time where the images made me think, "Yes, it would be really enjoyable to be there." Not even in all areas. There were some parts where the spectators were obviously pushed way back past where they would like to be. But this sport needs to accept the fact that it is a spectator participation sport, and that is a huge part of the appeal.

If they can come onto the stage to help stricken cars, they should be able to stand where they want. You need to trust people to take care of themselves, and accept the consequences.

Or you can just be like the fucking awful F1 of the last few years that shelters everyone from everything and sucks all the joy out of life. Except it will be even worse than that, because we're not the pinnacle of motorsport, so we don't get the big bucks. It will be like WTCC qualifying on gravel. Is that what you all want? Because that's what you get when you keep crowing about safety.

You know why people like Group B? Because it looked dangerous, and it kind of was. A couple of people died in the few years it was running. I think, if we're honest, we'd rather all have the memories of Group B than have those people back. We're all glad that Group B existed. Anyone who isn't, really isn't a rally fan.