[WRC] News & Rumours (part V) 2017

[er88]

Is there any real chance that these Opel and Proton R5s are any better than half-decent at best?

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[Mirek]

Of course. Or do You think that Holzer/Opel built the best R2 car on the market by accident?

[Mirek]

"Evo X engine taken down to 1600cc - a process that will help make it even stronger than it is"

And heavier, didn't know you can use an engine from a different manufacturer. They already have a 1.6l from what i can see.

Proton has this engine in their stock portfolio (Proton Jebat is basically Lancer Evo X). IMHO Evo X engine is very good basis mainly because it's performance engine already in stock variant unlike most of others.

Actually it's better to use larger engine and shorten the stroke. Both M-Sport and Škoda did it (2.0 resp. 1.8 base engines). PSA used stock 1.6 engines and had gazillion problems with it. Prodrive did the same mistake with Mini WRC.

The issue with stock 1,6 litres are many. Just to name some which come to my mind...

1) non-ideal bore/stroke ratio for competitive engine because stock engines are built with different priorities (Fabia R5 engine which is 1,8 with shortened stroke has actually very same bore/stroke ratio as taylor-made engine of Polo WRC while PSA R5 engines have hugely long stroke)

2) engine block possibly not strong enough

3) possibly problematic cooling of the smaller block which isn't designed for racing use

[TheFlyingTuga]

Proton has this engine in their stock portfolio (Proton Jebat is basically Lancer Evo X). IMHO Evo X engine is very good basis mainly because it's performance engine already in stock variant unlike most of others.

Actually it's better to use larger engine and shorten the stroke. Both M-Sport and Škoda did it (2.0 resp. 1.8 base engines). PSA used stock 1.6 engines and had gazillion problems with it. Prodrive did the same mistake with Mini WRC.

The issue with stock 1,6 litres are many. Just to name some which come to my mind...

1) non-ideal bore/stroke ratio for competitive engine because stock engines are built with different priorities (Fabia R5 engine which is 1,8 with shortened stroke has actually very same bore/stroke ratio as taylor-made engine of Polo WRC while PSA R5 engines have hugely long stroke)

2) engine block possibly not strong enough

3) possibly problematic cooling of the smaller block which isn't designed for racing use

The un-official Mitsubishi Mirage R5 also uses the Evo X with shorten stroke and in the right hands can be quite competitive

[Mirek]

IMHO Mirage isn't on the level of WRC2 competitors. Proton needs to be a lot more competitive to have some success.

[Mk2 RS2000]

Proton could be a toe in the water for Mitsubishi and watch out for Nissan, they have a demon 1.6 litre engine available now.

[Duvel]

Proton has this engine in their stock portfolio (Proton Jebat is basically Lancer Evo X). IMHO Evo X engine is very good basis mainly because it's performance engine already in stock variant unlike most of others.

Actually it's better to use larger engine and shorten the stroke. Both M-Sport and Škoda did it (2.0 resp. 1.8 base engines). PSA used stock 1.6 engines and had gazillion problems with it. Prodrive did the same mistake with Mini WRC.

The issue with stock 1,6 litres are many. Just to name some which come to my mind...

1) non-ideal bore/stroke ratio for competitive engine because stock engines are built with different priorities (Fabia R5 engine which is 1,8 with shortened stroke has actually very same bore/stroke ratio as taylor-made engine of Polo WRC while PSA R5 engines have hugely long stroke)

2) engine block possibly not strong enough

3) possibly problematic cooling of the smaller block which isn't designed for racing use

I think the Psa 1.6 engine and the Mini 1.6 is the same base engine. It's the EP engine.

[TyPat107]

I think the Psa 1.6 engine and the Mini 1.6 is the same base engine. It's the EP engine.

Is this also referred to as the "prince engine?"

[Mirek]

I think the Psa 1.6 engine and the Mini 1.6 is the same base engine. It's the EP engine.

Yes, You are right.

Is this also referred to as the "prince engine?"

Yes.

[tomhlord]

Will be interesting to see where this programme lies once Proton has been sold. Current leader is PSA (Peugeot) to take control of the company. http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/22/l...a-deal-report/