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    It depends on how far back you're talking about # Bluuford #, when you say it's been like that in previous times.
    Normally I agree that one should not change the rules too often, and it should be very good reason to do it too.
    But all that "can" give more drivers the opportunity to drive at the highest level, I welcome. If Penasse get his will, it "may" mean that teams are giving more chances for new drivers in their third car.
    Why: Because it is important to try to prevent the other teams in taking team points.

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    Everyone wants bend rules for himself, and use what strong sides they have, last year we had VW and Capito complaining about running order and Citroen with Meeke, now Hyundai want changes. Hyundai have best balance in team, best average pace among team members, so it would be easy win in team's championship for Hyundai. It would be same nonsense if Malcolm start talking about 1 driver to score points for manufacturer.

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    If in doubt, flat out!

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    "If a slow average speed means a safer rally, then Corsica must be the safest rally around, except it's not."

    Very good point. The most important thing is to not have spectators in dangerous places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluuford View Post
    Keep the rules as they are, it is nice competition right now. No need to add extra confusion and changes. Rules are the same for everyone. At the end of the day, one loses in one event other loses in other event. DO NOT TOUCH THE RULES!
    I'd argue the current manufacturers point-scoring system is far more confusing. Anyone that has tried to tot up the points themselves after the final stage of an event knows it is not the work of a moment to get the correct totals. It's not going to have any ground-breaking or damaging effect on the championship. It just encourages closer competition and battles.
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    Funny fact is that Difference between Ford and Hyundai would have been 2 points bigger as Hyundai would have lost 4 points, M-Sport 2 points. Actually, current rule keeps the points differences smaller. If we would take another option, that third car is blocking points then Ford would have 2 points less, Hyundai 4 points less, Toyota 5 points less and Citroen 11 points less, this is exactly the current standigs and when you take those points off, total differences will be bigger. So, this rule is to keep points tabel more close
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluuford View Post
    Funny fact is that Difference between Ford and Hyundai would have been 2 points bigger as Hyundai would have lost 4 points, M-Sport 2 points. Actually, current rule keeps the points differences smaller. If we would take another option, that third car is blocking points then Ford would have 2 points less, Hyundai 4 points less, Toyota 5 points less and Citroen 11 points less, this is exactly the current standigs and when you take those points off, total differences will be bigger. So, this rule is to keep points tabel more close
    I will summarize your long description in 4 words - actual version is better

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    I think the discussion is about what point system is better, not the results it produces. If one team is better than other, it will win no matter what the scoring is. I don't think Hyundai are complaining about point scores in comparison with Ford. It was just an example.

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    IMO when making a rule you need to look at the consequences and effects and compare with the intention.

    In this case the actual rule means closer competition in the manufacturer standings and for me that is by far the strongest argument in this discussion.

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    You understand clearly not the consequence of what I previously wrote. The intention to nominate three cars but that only the two best take points, is getting closer competition. That's good.
    But if one also blocked other teams from championship points by having a highly placed third car, teams are being pressured to have as good drivers as possible in the third car (I'm not sure, but maybe).
    I think and I repeat "think" this could mean that more drivers can be given a chance at the highest level.
    Maybe asphalt specialists get a chance in asphalt races and gravel ........................ etc.
    And I repeat, everything that could cause more drivers (new and old) gets a chance to show themselves at the highest level, I welcome.

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