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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    The event needs a rethink - but is unlikely to get one whilst the MSA/IMS keep going to the highest bidder, i;e the Welsh money. The event hasn't visited 'killer' Kielder since 1995, Yorkshire since 1993.....ignoring other regions of the UK is pretty poor.
    The Tour of Britain cycle race is a good example of how to do it; visit different regions/ areas over several years so lots of people get a chance to see the event. And unsurprisingly which sport/ event has a greater pull and mainstream media coverage....
    Well, cycling has Sky pouring millions into it. Plus 2 of the top cyclists in the world in Froome and Wiggins. The same cannot be said about rally currently. Probably the Boreham Ford/Prodrive Subaru and later Colin and Burns eras are comparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Well, cycling has Sky (and HSBC) pouring millions into it. Plus 2 of the top cyclists in the world in Froome and Wiggins. The same cannot be said about rally currently.
    They wouldn't pump money in if it wasn't worth it. Rallying in the UK is mainly invisible; the flagship event gets derisory mainstream coverage....
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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Well, cycling has Sky pouring millions into it. Plus 2 of the top cyclists in the world in Froome and Wiggins. The same cannot be said about rally currently. Probably the Boreham Ford/Prodrive Subaru and later Colin and Burns eras are comparable.
    Off topic, but Sky's brand benefits from its association with cycling, it doesn't really gain anything directly from promoting the sport of cycling itself. Sky doesn't even broadcast cycling, it's almost entirely on Sky and ITV. So yes, Sky are pouring millions into cycling, but they're primarily doing it to promote their own brand rather than promote cycling as a sport to the masses.

    Sky wouldn't pour millions into rallying because rallying is a shadow of its former self and is virtually invisible to the masses in the UK nowadays...

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    Quote Originally Posted by macebig View Post
    Well, cycling has Sky pouring millions into it. Plus 2 of the top cyclists in the world in Froome and Wiggins. The same cannot be said about rally currently. Probably the Boreham Ford/Prodrive Subaru and later Colin and Burns eras are comparable.
    Fair point re Sky money & cycling.

    But having great UK athletes like Cav, Wiggo & Froome isnt so important and not relevant to rallying.

    When I started going to the RAC Rally in the 80's there were no British winners but the crowds were still massive. The rally went all over the country and the public got to know about it coming to or through their area.

    The years stuck in S.Wales killed its poplarity.

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    [WRC] News & Rumours (part V) 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post

    When I started going to the RAC Rally in the 80's there were no British winners
    Only Finnish winners 8)

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    Another thing that p*ssed me off this week, UK related. Even in F1, the FIA/FOM/MSA are set to let the Silverstone GP run over 4 days, Thursday to Sunday. Yeah, it's only F2 and GP3 practice on the Thursday, but it still shows that even F1 are now more willing to think outside the box and be more flexible than the WRC... What an embarrassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sniper View Post
    Another thing that p*ssed me off this week, UK related. Even in F1, the FIA/FOM/MSA are set to let the Silverstone GP run over 4 days, Thursday to Sunday. Yeah, it's only F2 and GP3 practice on the Thursday, but it still shows that even F1 are now more willing to think outside the box and be more flexible than the WRC... What an embarrassment.
    Isn't Rally GB having a stage on Thursday night as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyfiend View Post
    Isn't Rally GB having a stage on Thursday night as well?
    It's not confirmed, but as far as I know they're only now looking a doing a short nothing stage in the small town of Towyn, on a facility like and not much larger than, a (motorcycle) Speedway...

    In 2013, the last time they managed to run Thursday stages, it was really good. They ran Gwydyr, Penmachno, Clocaenog, a perfect loop given that they seemingly have to have the start in Conwy County and end in Deeside. It was perfectly in character with the event and its history and was at least a nod to what this rally used to be. Sadly it was never to be repeated.

    If they can't/won't run forest stages on the Thursday, I'd rather they all headed over from the start to Oulton Park circuit for a stage starting at around 2030hrs. Oulton Park, used in the RAC Rally on and off for many decades (see here the itinerary from 1962, featuring many other familiar stage names too: https://www.ewrc-results.com/timetab...-britain-1962/ ) is closer to the service park in Deeside than any of the stages actually used in the rally, yet it's never been used once since they've been based in Deeside. We've had a few micky mouse stages around small country homes 'for the public' in recent years, all of which have seemingly suffered accessibility problems for spectators, yet Oulton Park goes unused. I'd love to know whether there's a good reason for this or whether it's just a symptomatic of the lack of imagination/ambition the organisers have.

    For those outside the UK, circuit rallying has been becoming increasingly popular in the UK. The Neil Howard Stage Rally is held in November as the last round of the Motorsport News Circuit Rally Championship at Oulton Park. You can see in this video that even as just a largely unpublicised national rally it get's a decent number of spectators. Imagine how many people would turn up for a Rally GB stage there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcTro5cV7fs & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRExmdp6W4U or onboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q4JOGTYywQ

    Sorry for ranting about Rally GB again!

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    Rally GB Total distance

    What is the minimum distance for WRC events ? If it is 300km then 2017 Wales Rally GB will require an itinerary tweak, such as a Thursday night SSS. With removal of Sundays Gwydyr 1 stage the total competitive distance reduces to 299.13km.
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    FIA 2017 WRC Sporting regulations pdf
    13. RALLY CHARACTERISTICS
    13.1 RALLY CONFIGURATION
    13.1.1 The surfaces of a rally may be mixed but must remain the same between two overnight regroups
    (minimum 45’ service). Within a special stage the road surfaces must not be mixed.
    However, for the use of limited sections of asphalt on gravel stages, a request for a waiver may be sent to
    the FIA.
    13.1.2 The total distance of the special stages shall be between 300 km and 500 km.
    There shall be no single special stage minimum or maximum distance. However, there shall be no more
    than 80 km of special stages between visits to service parks or tyre fitting zones.
    - No one stage or part of a stage may be run more than twice in a rally, super special stages excluded.

    How many kilometres do events being observed for WRC status have to run? e.g for the Tauranga 'RallyNZ' in November?
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