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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    You could read a good book...that's what i do.
    You do well, You know it, I know it. Not probably better, but certainly better than reading pointless motor sport articles with bias-ed analysis. And ..... yeah - blog posts, forum posts, twitter messages, not all of them of course, but the majority - yes.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    Good point! If he didn't put those stories up on Autosport; there would be absolutely nothing about the WRC at all for weeks during the summer break. The WRC thread on the Autosport forum quite often drops of the first page because not enough people are interested. The WRC is a hard sell here in the UK; not helped because the sport is mainly invisible.
    This is spot on. Be grateful, at least someone is writing about WRC.

    And those people that see these articles in such a negative way, why not just ignore them ? We dont need this view expressed every time some of us want to discuss them.

    As for the Ford / M-Sport issue, there is no doubt that Ford is getting a good deal. But that may be just for this season. If Ford dont come back and invest serious money then I dont see the M-Sport success story going much further in the WRC.

    Without more money from the manufacturer:
    1. their best driver(s) will leave and
    2. the Fiesta WRC wont progress.
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    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Without more money from the manufacturer:
    1. their best driver(s) will leave and
    2. the Fiesta WRC wont progress.
    But they build a fast WRC car without Ford. And take 2 win's by his own driver, not oneseason guest superstar.

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    That's painfully ironic. Their "own" driver might just leave, and the guest ss just stay for awhile.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    That's painfully ironic. Their "own" driver might just leave, and the guest ss just stay for awhile.
    He could, but he main test-driver of winning car and know it very well. And a Fiesta quite good car, why he might leave? Money? Don't think that now it is priority no1 for Tanak.
    Now main issue for M-Sport it's Ogier salary.

    So without Ogier "issue" they do pretty well even without Ford manufacture support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    He could, but he main test-driver of winning car and know it very well. And a Fiesta quite good car, why he might leave? Money? Don't think that now it is priority no1 for Tanak.
    Now main issue for M-Sport it's Ogier salary.

    So without Ogier "issue" they do pretty well even without Ford manufacture support.
    Yeah, but it depends what Malcolm wants. He might "sacrifice" Tanak to pay more bill to Ogier. In case Tanak wants more, it'll make it easier decision I think.

    "The future is predetermined by the characters who shape it"

    I don't think Tanak would give a dime staying in M-Sport, if someone offers him more. Ogier's case is more complicated....
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
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    @KKS the M-Sport ‘s issue is not the Ogier’s salary. It is what he want to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
    @KKS the M-Sport ‘s issue is not the Ogier’s salary. It is what he want to stay.
    This isn't news, he already refused the big Toyota salary last year.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

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    Yep, Ogier mainly wants Ford to return to ensure the money is there to develop the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    This isn't news, he already refused the big Toyota salary last year.
    Toyota offered him an actual salary? I thought that talk never took place as Ogier was not happy with the car.

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