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    Revman:

    http://latvalamotorsport.com/before17/kalusto_uk.htm

    Latvala already have some Toyota´s in his garage... and he has actually driven many rallies with them 2001-2007 http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile....-Matti-Latvala

    http://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=21&spz=556 Here you can find history of almost every rally car and drivers. Very good place to study things
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Revman:

    http://latvalamotorsport.com/before17/kalusto_uk.htm

    Latvala already have some Toyota´s in his garage... and he has actually driven many rallies with them 2001-2007 http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile....-Matti-Latvala


    http://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=21&spz=556 Here you can find history of almost every rally car and drivers. Very good place to study things
    Thank you very much!

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    If you're interested in some Toyota rally history, this is a good starter book (I'm sure you can find a hard copy somewhere online; it's only in Kindle form on Amazon now). It's comprehensive enough to delve a bit deep into the technical side of the car, yet general enough to give you an understanding of development of Toyota's first true WRC contender.

    The only real quibble I have is that the author, Graham Robson, has a bit too much of a hard-on for 2-time WRC champion Carlos Sainz but writes off 4-time WRC champion Juha Kankunna as very talented but lazy. Seriously, he only has couple of paragraphs on Kankunna (in a less than flattering light) while giving Sainz a comparative hagiography.

    https://www.amazon.com/Toyota-Celica.../dp/B00WGTA6W0

    To be honest, I only bought the book because it was going for $3 on Amazon at the time. I was already buying a Robson book on my favorite WRC car of all time, the Peugeot 205 T16, so I figured why not? I don't regret the purchase one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewalcindor View Post
    If you're interested in some Toyota rally history, this is a good starter book (I'm sure you can find a hard copy somewhere online; it's only in Kindle form on Amazon now). It's comprehensive enough to delve a bit deep into the technical side of the car, yet general enough to give you an understanding of development of Toyota's first true WRC contender.

    The only real quibble I have is that the author, Graham Robson, has a bit too much of a hard-on for 2-time WRC champion Carlos Sainz but writes off 4-time WRC champion Juha Kankunna as very talented but lazy. Seriously, he only has couple of paragraphs on Kankunna (in a less than flattering light) while giving Sainz a comparative hagiography.

    https://www.amazon.com/Toyota-Celica.../dp/B00WGTA6W0

    To be honest, I only bought the book because it was going for $3 on Amazon at the time. I was already buying a Robson book on my favorite WRC car of all time, the Peugeot 205 T16, so I figured why not? I don't regret the purchase one bit.

    Just purchased. Thank you very much. Love this stuff!

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    So, when a car can no longer continue a stage (transmission, engine, damage beyond repair), is that competitor out of the rally, or can they fix the car in the service park, and continue? I am guessing that car is done....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revman View Post
    So, when a car can no longer continue a stage (transmission, engine, damage beyond repair), is that competitor out of the rally, or can they fix the car in the service park, and continue? I am guessing that car is done....
    Normally the rally was over indeed. But in the mid-2000's (I think 2005?) they introduced "Super Rally", now called rally2. An event consists for example out of 3 legs(/days). If a driver retires on the first day for example, and they can't repair the car on the spot with the tools the crew has with them, they retire for that day. Then, if the team can fix the car somewhere midnight (usually around 6 hours before the first car leaves service park again), they can restart in day 2. They are still in for the overall classification, however they lose a certain amount of time for each stage they did not drive. If I'm correct the team "loses" 7 minutes towards the fastest car in their category, on each stage they fail to drive/finish. If they retire on the last leg (last day), for example on the penultimate stage, and they can't repair the car, they are completely out of the classification. It's a strange and complex rule, which has received a lot of critics from all sides...

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    Rally 2 is good for us that don't care so much about the results and enjoy watching more cars on the stages though
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    Monte-Carlo has bit different rules, if retire on saturday it´s no final day (sunday) for that crew.

    in every rally if you retire in days last stage (or after that but before service park) you´ll get 10min penalty. Other wise it´s 7min/stage. And you can´t continue in the middle of day, only next morning.
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    Pantelax is correct that Monte Carlo have traditionally not permitted Rally 2 restarts and this was certainly the case up until 2014. The Monte Carlo organizers had a change of mind and did allow Rally 2 restarts in 2015 and 2016.

    Rally 2 restarts provide several benefits.
    For spectators it means they can see more cars on 2nd and 3rd days of rally.
    For teams it gives them more opportunity to gather data on their cars, this will be particularly important in 2017 with all teams having new cars, Toyota as a returning team will find the rally 2 rule helpful.
    For drivers it means more opportunity to learn the characteristics of that rally, particularly since it will be a year before they get a chance to drive those roads again.

    In terms of rebuilds here is a link to a recent legendary rebuild of a WRC car http://www.crash.net/wrc/feature/215...f-titanak.html
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    I was first to use Super Rally in NZ 2005, even showed the MSport guys what they had to do. We actually DNF'd all three days

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