24th December 2016, 23:05 #51
24th December 2016, 23:07 #52
...and to clarify...Championship leader goes first on Day 1, but thereafter sequencing is dependent upon time (15th fastest goes first)?
24th December 2016, 23:18 #53
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For proper snow rallies it's more a question to our nordic members but I would say that deep fresh snow is definitely problematic for the first runner but on the other hand with a really really cold and sunny weather the first one has no standing ice dust in the air which can dazzle following drivers. Driving on pure solid ice with nordic studs isn't a bad thing I would say. You have also no ruts like the later runners.
That brings another point to the gravel events. Sometimes there is so much standing dust that running first is an advantage even on dry surface with a lot of loose gravel. There are events where dust is bigger issue such as Sardinia, Spain (gravel leg) or Australia. FIA sometimes make ridiculously large gaps between the cars to avoid the dust impact on the results.
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25th December 2016, 08:24 #54
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25th December 2016, 12:26 #55
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I'd say also it's questionable how much of a leveler championship order really is when you consider the proportion of tarmac and gravel rallies is about even, considering that rain on gravel reverses the advantage, and that several if not most tarmac events get a lot of dirt/gravel pulled into the road due to corner cutting by early runners. So a lot of people have decided Ogier is a whiner due to having moaned about this so much at stage-ends. Of course, he still dominates, complaints or not.
I also want to underline the earlier point that UNLIKE damn near any other motorsport, in rallying the driver is (in my view) unquestionably the most important element in success. When you are doing 80 laps or something, everybody knows the exact brake points and lines, and the external elements of the car and the team come into play much more. When you are driving a corner twice or even once in a three day event, the variability in driving technique is much more visible. Fan videos of rallies demonstrate this very well. You can see plainly on any given corner who is driving clean, who is wild, who is aggressive/sideways losing time, who is braking too hard, whose brakes are fading. So much information is visible to the naked eye that in other sports has to be in telemetry or TV slo-mo analysis.
One car can be slightly faster, but it's not like with F1 where one team figures out a technical trick that makes their mid-level drivers suddenly turn into champions. Or at least it hasn't been - Sorry to say to a Toyota fan but Toyota Team Europe gave this method, known as "cheating" in rally, a try in the 90s. But I don't think that has worked in decades (maybe since the advent of 4WD) given the nature of the sport. In this way, despite the recent domination of the Sebastians, I think rally has the upper hand to many motorsports in being a proper meritocracy.
P.S. what a refreshing thread
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25th December 2016, 15:44 #56
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25th December 2016, 21:02 #58
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25th December 2016, 23:28 #59
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Regarding snow rallies. If it have just been snowing, or there is loose snow on the road. It won't be a benefit to start first. If the roads are icy, and solid - with no loose snow on top. It is an advantage to run first, as the studs will rip into the ice, and cause the "Ice-dust" to settle on top, which in turn will make it more slippery for the next driver, and this gradually gets worse and worse for each car that passes.
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26th December 2016, 07:06 #60
How do the cars get from stage to stage?