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16th November 2016, 22:45 #31
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The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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17th November 2016, 01:19 #32
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Clinton didn't or couldn't work as hard as Trump so maybe it was her health that did her in.
This is my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking
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17th November 2016, 14:31 #33
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17th November 2016, 14:47 #34
^But the party never had an absolute majority I think and they did plenty of shenanigans to gain that power by twisting the senile Hindenburg's arm.
Tito Vilanova = :champion:
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17th November 2016, 21:53 #35
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I was not aware that Adolf did not have the backing of the military. I'm pretty sure that Machtergreifung was a thing. I'm also pretty sure that those guys in brown shirts and called themselves the Sturmabteilung, were also a thing.
Shall I defer to your better knowledge and assume your worldview that this was just the Tony winning performance of an elaborate theatre company?The Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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18th November 2016, 05:13 #36
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Everything I can read from all sides current and later there was zero "love" or respect for the "Austrian Corporal" from the Prussian dominated Officier class of the German military..begiining thru the end
The...SS* and SA** (SS being Sturm Staffel and SA being Sturm Abteilung, and SS was originally part of SA) on the other hand were a "Private Army"... In fact the SA was soon to be purged because they were too leftie)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
The one similarity I see is that the mainstay of who voted for Adolph and Friends and who voted for the Orange Thing with a dead Animal on his head were both "disaffected voters"..then primarily low level low educated shopkeeper class (and try and remember how old cities were with every block lined on ground floor with shops after shops after shop...for greens or coal or stationery or newspapers or apotek or whatever) LOTS of shopkeepers.. The did exit polling then too.. According to what I have read (some KPD analysis and oral histories of KPD people and later writing by active players in that election) These shopkeepers felt 'threatened by the rising income and social status of working class people'...In THAT we see similarity that in the old induftrial areas we call "The Rust Belt", there is an enormous seething discontent..hate even....and a demagogue like Drumph can easily point at a whole lotta people and say to these pissed off people who have been fawked and are pissed "Its all THEIR fault"..
Worked then, works now..
Oh the other obvious parallell: YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGELY absurd claims that "Only I can save you"
Since most Americans are authoritarian followers, that works every time.
*SS tended to be "middle class"
**SA tended to be "working class" and unemployedLast edited by janvanvurpa; 18th November 2016 at 05:18.
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18th November 2016, 13:35 #37
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One important thing to remember (and many lefties tend to forget this) is that uneducated is not synonymous with unintelligent. The first can be fixed fairly easily and the second can't be fixed.
These shopkeepers felt 'threatened by the rising income and social status of working class people'...
Since most Americans are authoritarian followers, that works every time."Old roats am jake mit goats."
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18th November 2016, 14:29 #38
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Not necessarily. I would say that a lot of Americans are just followers of whatever media and corporations sell them. Otherwise I can't explain Britney Spears, Kardashians etc. Americans will buy almost anything properly promoted and still think they have made their choice freely.
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18th November 2016, 17:33 #39
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Oh that is true but the "authority" in that case is the voice and pictures of the TV advert.
Best illustration is Home Simpson who, the instant the TV shows a image of "Blatz Beer" he begins mumbling "must consume Blatz beer, must consume Blatz beet"
Some might say its Pavlovian conditioning, but plenty of serious research agrees about the essentially authoritarian follower nature of a good majority of Americans.
And I know and history shows that the tendency is strong in many places. Heres a nice look at the particular North American strain:
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer...oritarians.pdfJohn Vanlandingham
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18th November 2016, 19:55 #40
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What an insulting statement and perfect demonstration.
First I doubt you have ever met or spoken at any length with a "leftie" in the meaning it has in the majority of the world.
Second, the link between conservatism, and authoritarianism is well established and it is "what everybody says" which counts for conservatives...and part and parcel with conservatism is a hierarchical class structure....and a major marker of position in the social hierarchy is schooling (which is a different thing entirely from education but is usually, by uneducated people, conflated) So it is in fact so-called conservatives who habitually equate "educated" with intelligence. It helps them to justify social differences.
No real leftie would ever do that since we do not confuse "schooling" with education.
The working class is not advancing in income or status and that was a driving reason in so many of them abandoning their traditional support for the Democratic candidate.
So are most people everywhere.
Look at all the record profits and salaries of hi tech and bankers and bond trading since the Bush collapse of 08... That's where all the recovery is.
People are pissed. Drumph promised to make Merikuh great again and they voted against "more of the same" and nothing more.
Such a shame that nobody has thought too hard about policy and ability to follow thru with such grand but vague promises..John Vanlandingham
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