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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior View Post
    the current F1 offering (from the world feed) isn't that much ahead of where CART was in the 90's.
    The free-to-air feed in Australia is worse than where it was in 1984.

    Hence the reason why I found a streaming service... that steals the Sky feed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    So there are huge amounts that can and need changing, and I do think Liberty Media are the right boys for this kind of transition. If don't correctly, they could make F1 a global phenomenon. And, you know what, I don't think they'll have too much resistance from the teams. More exposure and media coverage make for more money. No team will say no to money and it could very well benefit the likes of Sauber and Manor greatly, which would be fantastic, in my opinion. It just has to be done right.
    I agree they have the opportunity to make the distribution of money between the teams more fairer. They may in the process dispose of the unfair concord agreement. The three individuals that l mentioned are not in the inner circle of F1. Certainly not in Bernie's inner circle. I mentioned these chaps because they have been team principles or senior team managements. Two out of the three were actual racing drivers. Hence they can relate more effectively with the teams and the FIA using their experience of the F1 culture.

    I think a dictatorship style would exacerbate an already fraught relationship between the promoters and the teams. If you think Ferrari, Mercedes, Mclaren or Redbull would put up with a "take it or lump it" attitude from Bernies replacement, then you have a nasty surprise in stock. Even Bernie in all his adept skill of manipulation, know that is a definite no no. If he thought for a moment that it could be done that way, l bet my last quid that he would have done it. By the way, he tried and it did not get very far.

    Liberty Media is taking over at a time when things are very delicately poised in F1 at the moment. There is the EU breathing down the neck of the current promoter. There is the power tussle between the manufacturing teams and the promoters. There is also the drivers seeking to get involved in the process of decision making. Fans are getting dissatisfied with the rules of the sport. Mercedes unchallenged dominance is not offering the level of entertainment to sustain fan excitement and interest. The worst thing the new promoter can do is to be dictatorial in their approach. They would quickly find unbelievable resistance from all parts of the F1 paddock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy2k8 View Post
    How much of an effect do people think Liberty Media will (or may if I am wrong) have on F1? Will they be able to overturn this Sky exclusivity deal?
    None. With bernie still there he and LM still make millions while screwing over the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAReagles View Post
    I don't watch much of the tube anymore either, except during NFL season. I cut the cord about 4 years ago, and last year, oddly enough discovered that UniMás (Spanish language channel owned by Univision Communications) is the best I've ever seen - only because the broadcast of the races are virtually commercial-free. Only about three or four breaks during the entire race. I need to brush up more on my Spanish though.

    Anyways, I hope this is a good deal for the sport. It will be interesting to see how long Bernie lasts before he's sacked.
    Man, that's my dream! I envy you. I want a divorce from DirecTV so bad I can taste it. That's about a $90/month savings right there. I bought a Roku box a couple of years ago, and with that, I've found that I can receive most everything that I want to see... except for F1. I hate TV now (especially the reality TV crap that has filled most channels these days). I use the Roku to access NBCSports to watch extra F1 footage (FP1, FP3 and interviews) and GP2, but I have to have a cable/satellite subscription to get that. I use the Tivo on DirecTV to watch F1 races. But because I have a season pass set up, I've noticed a Spanish language offering that also shows up. I think that's the UniMás that you're talking about.

    I would love to cut off DirecTV and be able to buy F1 races and the weekend sessions a la carte through Roku or an AppleTV. And think about how much money F1 leaves on the table by not offering F1 seasons of years past on DVD or Blu-ray. There are certain seasons that I would pay for, just so that I could build a library of my favorite seasons. The F1 Decade show that used to be on Speed was OK. I'd go for something as basic as that. But I'd rather have ALL the races, and some additional content would be wonderful... like a special feature that included nothing but onboards. As much of a nickel-sniffer as Bernie is, you'd think that he would have thought of that. But no, he's spent his time locking down F1 content, worrying about selling Rolexes to 90 year olds and keeping the content hidden away. Sure, you can find some stuff on YouTube (til Bernie's money thugs discover it), but why not bring it out of the shadows???!!!

    One thing is for sure, with some U.S. 'Muricans now involved, I figure that a lot of things that weren't being monetized before, will be pretty soon. Overall, I think that will be more cost effective for many of us. And for other people (especially in those places where lack of free-over-air coverage has meant a severe decrease in viewership), I hope that the Liberty people find a decent balance. Unlike Bernie, I think they understand the value of eyeballs. At least for consumer oriented companies, sponsor exposure value is a key metric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    I am aware of Bernie's history in the sport. I actually think F1 needs a leader from outside its inner circles. I think it has come to a point now where the teams need to be told with a firm hand, this is the way it's going to be, take it or leave it. The big guns have too much invested in the sport to simply walk away right now, although it is possible they might do it, so it has to be treated in a firm but fair (or appearing fair) way.

    Among the things that needs to change is spectators access to drivers at race weekends. The only driver that really makes an effort at race weekends to mingle with fans is Lewis Hamilton and he doesn't interact with the fans every race weekend. All drivers needs to have fan time and the fans need that as, right now, they come, they go and that's it. That needs to change and the pitwall has to become less isolated. I'm one of the lucky ones that can get a pit pass to events when I go to a F1 race. This isn't the same for everyone. Most people don't ever get the chance.

    So there are huge amounts that can and need changing, and I do think Liberty Media are the right boys for this kind of transition. If don't correctly, they could make F1 a global phenomenon. And, you know what, I don't think they'll have too much resistance from the teams. More exposure and media coverage make for more money. No team will say no to money and it could very well benefit the likes of Sauber and Manor greatly, which would be fantastic, in my opinion. It just has to be done right.
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior View Post
    I would love to cut off DirecTV and be able to buy F1 races and the weekend sessions a la carte through Roku or an AppleTV. And think about how much money F1 leaves on the table by not offering F1 seasons of years past on DVD or Blu-ray. There are certain seasons that I would pay for, just so that I could build a library of my favorite seasons. The F1 Decade show that used to be on Speed was OK. I'd go for something as basic as that. But I'd rather have ALL the races, and some additional content would be wonderful... like a special feature that included nothing but onboards. As much of a nickel-sniffer as Bernie is, you'd think that he would have thought of that. But no.... Sure, you can find some stuff on YouTube (til Bernie's money thugs discover it), but why not bring it out of the shadows???!!!

    ..... Overall, I think that will be more cost effective for many of us. And for other people (especially in those places where lack of free-over-air coverage has meant a severe decrease in viewership), I hope that the Liberty people find a decent balance. Unlike Bernie, I think they understand the value of eyeballs. At least for consumer oriented companies, sponsor exposure value is a key metric.
    YouTube races (especially the "Natural Sounds" recorded events) are my favs. Love the whole races of 73' French GP, 71' Italian GP, etc... etc... being available. Not to mention Indy 500 during the respectable pre-IRL era. I always fall back to sentimental indulgence with 1960's/70's/80's racing. I'm not happy (or haven't been I should say), with the current state of the OWR in F1 or here in the states due to politics, butchering of venues and of course, the inevitable compromise of driver skills being displayed as a result of advance technology. So I really don't watch much live events anymore with notable exceptions to Indianapolis, Monaco, Silverstone, Spa & Monza.

    I do still have interest in the sport as to how it will handle the challenges of environmental-friendly regulations, events becoming pimped out from the more traditional holy grounds (France w/out a GP is absurd) and now, thank god, with new ownership. I figure it can't get worse, unless of course it continues to be driven into the ground so much that people won't have enough interest in F1 to sustain its existence.
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    I'm interested to see how Liberty approach F1 and change things for the better. What I am worried about is the introduction of "gimmicks" - in my mind they are multiple races over the weekend, reverse grids, points for overtaking etc - these are all not fixing any problem - they are creating false excitement. In my mind, DRS is part of this issue - as it is "false" overtaking.

    If you want more overtaking, great - but it should be natural, quality driving. Overtaking is supposed to be difficult thats why we love the great moves of the past.

    So I'd hope they bring F1 into the modern arena, would be nice to have a second GP in the USA and some more European races again but capped at 20 races. NO SECOND RACES!!!! Imagine, 40 races a year... that would be terrible. F1 is not the BTCC, so I really hope they veto that idea early on - it goes completely against the history of F1 and would be an unnecessary change.

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    Distribution of money to make more teams competitive is important, as well as rules on cars meaning that they can follow and overtake easier without artificial aids. Quite simple when you put it like that! We don't want falsely created exciting races, penalizing drivers/teams who have done well just for the sake of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bezza View Post
    If you want more overtaking, great - but it should be natural, quality driving. Overtaking is supposed to be difficult thats why we love the great moves of the past.
    You want more and natural overtaking? Easy. Ban carbon rotors and pads and go back to steel rotors. Problem fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    You want more and natural overtaking? Easy. Ban carbon rotors and pads and go back to steel rotors. Problem fixed.
    Ban wings.


    I bet that following distances are further in Formula 4 than they were in Formula Ford when the cars had no wings.
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    Zak Brown, the man who I've brought up numerous times as the best replacement for Bernie Ecclestone, is now flying high on the radar. He just stepped down as CEO of his marketing company, so it seems that he's poised to take a major role in the coming F1 restructure. He's got a keen sense of the racing landscape and is behind quite a few of the bigger sponsorship deals in F1 (and many other motorsports series). While he may not bump Bernie out of the big chair immediately, I do think that the major deal making will eventually fall to him, as Liberty takes control of the sport. And IMO, this is a good thing. Brown is just as sharp as Bernie and he doesn't tend to put people off (for no good reason), as Bernie often does. With his business acumen and knowledge of new media opportunities, I'm feeling good about the future of the sport.
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