Rally Sweden 2017

**Rallyper** · 13th February 2017, 13:41

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Tanak had gearbox problems early. And he was outclassed by neuville by almost a minute and neuville is nothing in sweden.

too complicated for you ?

So now Neuville is nothing (in Sweden)? Hold your horses son!

**N.O.T** · 13th February 2017, 13:46

Originally Posted by Rallyper

So now Neuville is nothing (in Sweden)? Hold your horses son!

we are comparing cars/teams here... if a guy who never achieved anything speedwise in sweden is 1 minute ahead of a previous winner and always a contender for the win shows how much the difference is between a professional manufacturer team and an assortment of amateur villagers who got a fluke result just thanks to latvalas ability in sweden and fords coward decision to go for the points. during Day2 where all was pushing Latvala was slower than everybody and without the cancelled stage the situation could be much different going into day 3...

but as i said you just scrap the surface. You have a month to enjoy your naked kings garment... then we can see who is who.

**denkimi** · 13th February 2017, 14:03

Originally Posted by N.O.T

we are comparing cars/teams here... if a guy who never achieved anything speedwise in sweden is 1 minute ahead of a previous winner and always a contender for the win shows how much the difference is between a professional manufacturer team and an assortment of amateur villagers who got a fluke result just thanks to latvalas ability in sweden and fords coward decision to go for the points. during Day2 where all was pushing Latvala was slower than everybody and without the cancelled stage the situation could be much different going into day 3...

but as i said you just scrap the surface. You have a month to enjoy your naked kings garment... then we can see who is who.

you really need to stay away from whatever drugs you're on. those hallucinations might be giving us all a laugh on the forum, but in real life they can get you killed.

**macebig** · 13th February 2017, 14:09

Neuville is nothing despite nearly winning the 2015 event with a sequential gearbox...Arranging accommodation at Dromokaiteio for NOT....

**A FONDO** · 13th February 2017, 14:14

Originally Posted by er88

That is one horribly handling car, potentially big problems for Citroen.

Meeke is mostly to blame for he lost the chance to prepare as he crashed in his PET, and Citroen never had a great car in Sweden anyway. Not a big deal, it's the only rally in the season with that surface and these tyres.

**N.O.T** · 13th February 2017, 14:17

Originally Posted by macebig

Neuville is nothing despite nearly winning the 2015 event with a sequential gearbox...Arranging accommodation at Dromokaiteio for NOT....

see how he went to nearly win it.... or back to farming.

**pantealex** · 13th February 2017, 14:34

We all should be happy that Ogier didn´t choose Toyota, he is better driver than JML...

**onemanband** · 13th February 2017, 14:48

Originally Posted by N.O.T

we are comparing cars/teams here... if a guy who never achieved anything speedwise in sweden is 1 minute ahead of a previous winner and always a contender for the win shows how much the difference is between a professional manufacturer team and an assortment of amateur villagers who got a fluke result just thanks to latvalas ability in sweden and fords coward decision to go for the points. during Day2 where all was pushing Latvala was slower than everybody and without the cancelled stage the situation could be much different going into day 3...

but as i said you just scrap the surface. You have a month to enjoy your naked kings garment... then we can see who is who.

Ever heard about this little thing called road order? Maybe you should google it and read what effect it has in rallying.
And you are also saying that Ogier and Tänak making mistakes trying to catch/match Latvala was a coward decision by ford?

Originally Posted by mknight

He might be better, or might not, during the whole 2016 season in same car he certainly wasn't.

However, how has he proved it this year already? Was Mikkelsen driving a WRC car on Monte and in Sweden?

#logic

I think i misphrased my thought a little bit wrong.
What i meant to say was that Mikkelsen was better than Latvala last year because Latvala had a slump, not because Mikkelsen improved that much (although he did improve). Now that Latvala is back on form it would be a far stretch suggesting that Mikkelsen could have achieved what he has.

**smsgrafica** · 13th February 2017, 14:50

Why was Ogier so slow in Sweden? He had 2 PETs but still didn't manage to win a single stage. Was it only lack of experience in the car or is there more behind it?

**macebig** · 13th February 2017, 14:56

Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Why was Ogier so slow in Sweden? He had 2 PETs but still didn't manage to win a single stage. Was it only lack of experience in the car or is there more behind it?

I don't think he was so slow.Ok he was slower than his standards but his pace on Saturday was equal to Neuville.On Friday, he was disadvantaged by road position and on Sunday he made a mistake on the 1st corner, so he didn't have a lot to risk.