Rally Sweden 2017

**AL14** · 11th February 2017, 00:01

Originally Posted by stefanvv

Tell us about Ogier's problems.

Sorry I don't get it

**BigWorm** · 11th February 2017, 00:05

Originally Posted by Morte66

If I may ask another newbie question:

It seems to me it's generally an advantage to go first on tarmac, and a disadvantage to go first on gravel. But what of ice, how does that work? And would fresh snow change anything?

Clean ice = very good grip, if you're using studs obviously. In that case, you'd benefit from running first. The more cars that passes by that ice layer will eventually tear.

But should there be snow covering it, the first cars will sweep away the snow and the later cars will get to use the ice more.

**stefanvv** · 11th February 2017, 00:06

Originally Posted by AL14

Sorry I don't get it

You don't need to be. Probably I have missed the point made to a less important "stuff" for the sport.

**Ctesibios** · 11th February 2017, 01:57

Originally Posted by EstWRC

lol, what?

I wanted to confirm the results I was seeing because they seemed odd. Indeed, I was getting wrong info. The gaps are much bigger. Top 10 spread over more than 3 min.

**Myrvold** · 11th February 2017, 03:22

Thanks for the live-stream share yesterday guys, hope I managed something there :-)

Off to SS Knon now, hope to have reception and an OK spot to show todays stage as well :-)

RS · 11th February 2017, 05:48

Originally Posted by N.O.T

I will wait until the proper rallies of the season to draw my conclusions. Monte and Sweden and partially mexico are not rallies where you can see clearly the pace of the cars, unless of course you believe that Neuville can be faster that Ogier by almost 1 sec per km in equal conditions.

But then again for me rallying is more than just watching hairpins.

About toyota my opinion remains the same, a village nationalistic team of assorted nobodies with no future in this sport.

I agree with that apart from the last sentence.

The car is clearly good, probably better than we all thought, but it's too early to say how good.

The all-Finn driver lineup looks a bit dodgy but they're all good drivers and apart from that Makinen hired experienced former MSport guys to design the car.

**dimviii** · 11th February 2017, 06:48

Good morning guys! Lets see the average at this fast stage!

Michelin Motorsport ‏@Michelin_Sport
#tyre info:
M-Sport/Citroen/hyundai/Ostberg: 5 Michelin X-Ice North 3
Toyota/Lefebvre: 6 Michelin X-Ice North 3
#wrc #RallySweden

**dimviii** · 11th February 2017, 06:51

Hayden Paddon ‏@HaydenPaddon
Big happy birthday to @JKCoDriver today - getting younger by the day Lets give him something to celebrate today @RallySweden

Neuville flying

**dimviii** · 11th February 2017, 06:53

DMACK Tyres ‏@DMACK_Tyres

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There has been 1-2cm of overnight snow but the first stage is relatively clean - so @ElfynEvans has gone with five DMACK DMG-ICE2 tyres

**J_n_z** · 11th February 2017, 07:00

@NOT and

Originally Posted by RS

I agree with that apart from the last sentence.

The car is clearly good, probably better than we all thought, but it's too early to say how good.

The all-Finn driver lineup looks a bit dodgy but they're all good drivers and apart from that Makinen hired experienced former MSport guys to design the car.

I can understand that from some reason a generally good car/driver combination does not perform in on snow. But I couldn't find how a dog of a car would be up there on a fast, bumpy, camber changing roads.

Please tell some technical reason why it can be like this...