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    So now the question is why some get time penalty and some get fines? Do drivers have a choice what type of punishment they get? I'm not saying that Prokop would be more happy with a 30k euro fine, but for me it looks like they have no problems with kicking small guys/teams and there are different rules for manufacturers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Per, I have written that at least five times already. They were not penalized for the weight! Please read the documents again. The shape of the windows was wrong (the part which is not visible and by which the window is attached to the door).
    Relax Mirek, there are none so blind as those who won’t see.

    The simply do not understand that it is not about the weight, it is about non-compliance with the homologation papers.
    They do not understand that cars must be as described in the paperwork and that being slightly non-compliant is just like being slightly pregnant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariusz View Post
    So now the question is why some get time penalty and some get fines? Do drivers have a choice what type of punishment they get? I'm not saying that Prokop would be more happy with a 30k euro fine, but for me it looks like they have no problems with kicking small guys/teams and there are different rules for manufacturers.
    Two different infringments. Performance advantage vs silly mistake in homologation papers? I am sure if Hyundai broke the transmission seal they would be given same penalty as Prokop.

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    Why you are arguing over an infringement that did not change the results ??

    be serious kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Per, I have written that at least five times already. They were not penalized for the weight! Please read the documents again. The shape of the windows was wrong (the part which is not visible and by which the window is attached to the door).
    Yeah, I saw that before, but figures are funny sometimes anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000 View Post
    Relax Mirek, there are none so blind as those who won’t see.

    The simply do not understand that it is not about the weight, it is about non-compliance with the homologation papers.
    They do not understand that cars must be as described in the paperwork and that being slightly non-compliant is just like being slightly pregnant
    Blind I´m not.
    Homologation I know much about.
    Rearwindows in pure glass or plexi or whatever. Fine. decide what you want and homologate it.
    BUT -attaching rearwindow on car should not be an issue for homologation, why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Why you are arguing over an infringement that did not change the results ??

    be serious kids.
    Still better than Ostberg's discussions

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    Quote Originally Posted by makinen_fan View Post
    Two different infringments. Performance advantage vs silly mistake in homologation papers? I am sure if Hyundai broke the transmission seal they would be given same penalty as Prokop.
    I'm not a very technical guy, so please explain how exactly Prokop's car performance was improved? There was also Kubica's case in Sweden 2015 where his turbo boost went over a homologated value for some short periods of time and as stated by M-Sport this couldn't had any performance advantage and still, he got 5 min penalty. There are just some double standards.
    I'm happy for Thierry though, he did a great job last weekend and was faster than Latvala.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    BUT -attaching not homologated rearwindow on car should be an issue for homologation
    May be this is the answer?!?
    Last edited by stefanvv; 13th June 2016 at 23:10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    May be this is the answer?!?
    Think it´s one word too much htere. Should be: "attaching homologated rear window should not be an issue of homologation". Meaning how you attach homologated window, how could it be an issue?
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