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    You can hope for whatever You want. I'm just afraid that You will stay disappointed. Eurosport guys must ensure a profit for their shareholders and that's the base point of everything. It's not charity what they have been running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    IRC started in 2006 with only 4 events and was meant to be a challenge for top privateers drivers in select and prestigious rallys.
    What are you talking about? A challenge for privateers with rallies in Africa, Brazil, China and Russia and points awarded for manufacturers?
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    Good point Jarek, the first IRC team ever was works FIAT.
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    In 2016 ERC stand the chance of becoming as it used to be - not important.

    British Rally Championship is taking in 4wd again, and has many of the elements that has been mentioned here as success factors.

    ~ Concentrated events. All on the Island
    ~ Nice rallies on two surfaces
    ~ Guess it will TV coverage
    ~ Free tyre choice (sponsor)
    ~ possibility to rent cars from local firms, less expences in logistics

    What can be done with ERC to stay out of the walley of shadows?
    Logically ERC should be a logical tier 2 series, in the part of the world with most money and drivers.

    But if WRC2/3 can buy you a better product for aprox same sum of money, and BRC attacks from below - your playing ground becomes narrow.

    So does ERC stand a chance as is, or at all?
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    How did you work out WRC2 is a better product? I think it's probably more expensive too due to longer rallies.

    It would be nice if BRC could become what it was back in the F2 era but the popularity of rallying in the UK has fallen so much i don't know if that is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    You can hope for whatever You want. I'm just afraid that You will stay disappointed. Eurosport guys must ensure a profit for their shareholders and that's the base point of everything. It's not charity what they have been running.
    I wonder why they even bid to be the ERC promoter. They've done very little. Like most promoters in Motorsport, they do as little as they can, while raking in the rights/ events money.
    The current ERC is better than the old ERC, but is nowhere near what the IRC was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    I wonder why they even bid to be the ERC promoter. They've done very little. Like most promoters in Motorsport, they do as little as they can, while raking in the rights/ events money.
    The current ERC is better than the old ERC, but is nowhere near what the IRC was.
    The IRC was run by the same promoter. Why is it different? Maybe because it's not only about the promoter but also the FIA. Anyway I don't agree that the old IRC was better. Yes, through several years it had awesome driver quality and some extremely good events with great TV coverage but it wasn't only like that. There were many downsides - very unequal quality of the events and of the entry fields, sometimes crazy simple rules (for some areas pretty much non existent), a lot of changes of the calendar during the season etc. The ERC hase better basis in terms of rules and calendar, the rest got worse mainly because WRC got better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    In 2016 ERC stand the chance of becoming as it used to be - not important.

    British Rally Championship is taking in 4wd again, and has many of the elements that has been mentioned here as success factors.

    ~ Concentrated events. All on the Island
    ~ Nice rallies on two surfaces
    ~ Guess it will TV coverage
    ~ Free tyre choice (sponsor)
    ~ possibility to rent cars from local firms, less expences in logistics
    Is ERC that different?

    All events of European championship are concentrated in Europe
    Nice events on three surfaces
    Some TV coverage
    Free tyre choice
    Possibility to rent cars from local firms

    So all those points apply for ERC too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    What can be done with ERC to stay out of the walley of shadows?
    If You want to bring back the golden IRC years You need to bring back manufacturers. Škoda dominance which led Peugeot to outsource their campaign through "private team" further led to the situation when there is no official manufacturer team at all. Only manufacturer teams bring the attention of the crowds. We can only hope that Hyundai or Opel will decide to win ERC. IF they do others will follow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Logically ERC should be a logical tier 2 series, in the part of the world with most money and drivers.
    And it is the tier 2 series. As such it shall concentrate on promoting the JERC (and it rightly does so).

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    But if WRC2/3 can buy you a better product for aprox same sum of money, and BRC attacks from below - your playing ground becomes narrow.
    WRC2 is a lot more expensive than ERC. Its main advantage is that it is World Championship. The name means a lot plus if You want to drive WRC one day You need to get experience on WRC stages. You may be a God of ERC but You still need two or three seasons in WRC to get in. The way to WRC through ERC is simply too long.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    So does ERC stand a chance as is, or at all?
    A chance against what? ERC is no competition for WRC just as FIFA Euro is no competition to FIFA World Cup. It can become a competition to WRC only if the WRC is completely fucked up. That was nicely illustrated by those several years when WRC was down and IRC up. Once WRC got to the better shape IRC went down.
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    Well from 2009-2011 the IRC was pretty good, not perfect; the 2013-2015 ERC hasn't come anywhere near. And I can't recall any Live coverage of any events. Eurosport are doing the bare minimum in regards to promotion. C+ Could do better??
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    I agree with that part about the promotion but even when they run some live TV stages in IRC times it was mostly for the money of event organizers/countries than for their own. But yes, definitely they shall do more.
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