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29th July 2015, 13:59 #1
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Bite points
With a ban on passing info about clutch settings for the start about to commence , how will it all work out for the various drivers and teams ?
Merc , I suppose , having had a few howler starts , must be sweating the most .
They seem to have a package that can't be handled in a wake , so they have to get off the line well .
I'm wondering if we'll hear any coded messages in the warm-up lap , as they haven't had to do this themselves for a very long time .
This could be great to see , but they will have to be extremely careful about those starts .
I'm pretty happy with this change , and hopefully the drivers are as well .
Mind you , if an extra warm-up lap ends up costing you the race even with the team's help , you gotta figure the drivers may sweat a little more as they approach the start .
I would think that some clever engineering solutions are being worked on as I write this .
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29th July 2015, 16:06 #2
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29th July 2015, 19:35 #3
Last year, the brakes were the weak point for the Mercs. They apparently got that solved. This year it seems to be the clutch. I don't know what Ferrari and Williams were doing the past two races that they might not be able to do from Spa forward. But if those two teams have found something that Mercedes hasn't, we might have a real dogfight on our hands through the end of the season - especially on tracks that are harder to pass on.
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30th July 2015, 15:41 #4
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30th July 2015, 15:15 #5
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I just wonder why do they need to pass that info over the radio?
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30th July 2015, 18:09 #6
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Good question , but I think the answer is that they are not allowed to make the actual adjustments from the pits , and that it was achieved by making two-way data transmission illegal .
So , they are left with coaching , which will now be illegal , or , at least more difficult .
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31st July 2015, 07:19 #7
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Forza Ferrari!!
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31st July 2015, 14:26 #8
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Yes , the "enigma machine" will be at the ready .
I would think that those who have been calmest off the line , and took close notice of the numbers and button and/or switch positions , and how they related to the feel of the pedal , will be best set to be able to cope with doing it alone .
And , those who seem to take the most instructions will be on the back foot .
At least they have the break to sit in their home simulators and try to get the systems into their heads .
In a world where leading out of the first corner means you are likely to win , having the driver's fate solidly in the hands of the driver can only be a good thing .
But , I do worry a bit about the debates over whether the "enigma machine" was in use or not .
That could be really tedious as that debate will hang over the entire race , being it will all occur just before the start .
Hell , if it was a blatant breach early in the warm-up lap , wouldn't they need to punish a driver by dropping his position even before the race begins , as allowing him the start with him having prepared unfairly would surely be farcical , wouldn't it ?
How many warm-up laps might it take to decide the punishment ?
And , how messy would the start be after all is sorted ?
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12th August 2015, 21:10 #9
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They don't.
The clutches are very sensitive and the biting point can change with different conditions including with the powertrain warming up.
The biting point would be found on the warm up lap with the driver having to do complicated procedures to get the clutch to set itself up.
The new rules forbid drivers from setting the clutch up during the warm up lap, ie after the car has left the garage. The rules also forbid the pits from telling the driver how to set the clutch to find the biting point, the pits don't do anything and never have to set up the clutch directly.
It might introduce new problems as the clutch was never designed for manual starts, but hopefully new fixes are on the way. Its just another added expense for the teams.
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30th July 2015, 18:37 #10
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That I know but what I wonder is that since it's a setup they use right at the start of the race can't they talk about it before the race? I admit I have no clue what these setups actually involve.
Last edited by Big Ben; 31st July 2015 at 09:25.
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