Barum Czech Rally Zlín 2015 [ERC, ERCJ, CZE]

[CivEngine]

Up to this point I must comment that GT cars can be pretty impressive if driven by good hands. For example, here in Spain we have a legion of Porsches and when they have fighted with R5 cars they won. Obviously the specs are not R-GT nor FIA.

[Mirek]

Great places
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8Qv0fLTQc

[Mirek]

Spectacular spin of Neubauer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yE-Dr9Z_ZY

[Jarek Z]

What a strange corner it was!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/vid...pecial-corner/

[Mirek]

Jarek, check this video from last year. They came from the other side but the result was same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTLd17C6Vw

[denkimi]

Come on...

Porsche 997 R-GT is let's say 80% stock Porsche 997 GT3 RS. Fabia R5 is let's say 10% stock Fabia and Polo WRC is let's say 5% stock Polo. R-GT rules have nothing to do with gr.B rules. They are just selected points which can be modified on the stock car like on any gr.N car. On the other hand WRC and also R5 are purely purpose built rally cars like gr.B cars were (the 250 pieces of a homologation series was a joke anyway).

it's not about the technical side, its about the driving.

porsches have huge power but awful handling. you have to fight them to go fast, they don't drive on rails like r5 or wrc cars.

[Mirek]

Sorry but I don't understand such point of view. The gr.B cars were best possible machines of the time with nothing common with stock production. They had bad handling for 2015 standards but they were the very best available in 1980'. The stock cars of 1980' had even a lot worse handling so what? R-GT cars have totally nothing in common with gr.B, they are just gr.N cars made of strong RWD. That's all.

Besides that they go a lot less sideways than WRC cars. I have watched 10 stages and shakedown in Ypres and I haven't seen a single drift from Romain Dumas. I have seen a lot of high speed drifts from those S2000 and R5 cars who shall drive like on rails... I'm not sure if You saw the cars live on stages but there's not much spectacular about them unless You spectate only 1st gear corners. I really don't understand the hype.

[Mirek]

Another nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsvJo2_At0

[stefanvv]

Sorry but I don't understand such point of view. The gr.B cars were best possible machines of the time with nothing common with stock production. They had bad handling for 2015 standards but they were the very best available in 1980'. The stock cars of 1980' had even a lot worse handling so what? R-GT cars have totally nothing in common with gr.B, they are just gr.N cars made of strong RWD. That's all.

Besides that they go a lot less sideways than WRC cars. I have watched 10 stages and shakedown in Ypres and I haven't seen a single drift from Romain Dumas. I have seen a lot of high speed drifts from those S2000 and R5 cars who shall drive like on rails... I'm not sure if You saw the cars live on stages but there's not much spectacular about them unless You spectate only 1st gear corners. I really don't understand the hype.

The point is the whole package - car + driver, and of course the "big bang" so to speak. Gr. B are as difficult to drive as current R-GT, while WRC/R5 are more easy. Generally I was just kidding, though there were some true in my comments that I prefer R-GT cars over all other 2WD classes, even not always faster.

[Mirek]

Maybe interesting for some of You...

A look into the results of sole second leg. It's clear some were already cruising but some still had a lot to fight for.

The fastest driver of the second leg was Lukyanuk despite Kajto and Pech having a big fight. That's for sure very interesting. Kajto was second, Pech third and Kopecký fourth (in a visible cruise mode). Fifth was Tarabus who managed to finish the leg ahead of Breen who was trying to fight back.

And... according to the press release of Tarabus the reason for retirement was not enough fuel! They say there was a faulty gauge due to which they took less fuel than they needed...