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Thread: Roadcar spin-off from Rally
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19th May 2015, 11:44 #11
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19th May 2015, 14:13 #12
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But as someone mentioned: the car doesn´t need to be made inhouse. And to me, such roadcar also boosts serial models. Marketing is so much more than just technical logistical issues massproducing cars. That hasn´t anything to do with dreams.
HAving said that, to me it doesn´t matter anyway. I´ll keep driving my 330d X-drive and enjoying every moment of it."Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
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19th May 2015, 19:17 #13
Sounds small but it’s true.
I had a look at the VW 2014 annual report and I couldn’t believe what this mean for the operating profit per car.
http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/.../GB+2014_e.pdf (page 25)
Sales revenue 99 764 000 000 €
Operating profit 2 476 000 000 €
Deliveries 6 119 000 cars
As % of sales revenue = 2 476 000 000 / 99 764 000 000 * 100 = 2,48%
Operating profit per car = 2 476 000 000 / 6 119 000 = 404 € / car.
But if I had a business and sell 6,1 million pieces of something per year and earn 1 € for each sold after costs, I would have 6,1 million in my pocket before taxes. It would do for me.“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
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19th May 2015, 21:18 #14
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Ford are the only manufacturer to even try to make a road car with a rally connection in recent years, with the Focus RS.
The Mk1 Focus RS was certainly a car that associated with rallying with its flared wheel arches, Brembo brakes and Sparco interior... but it had to be made on a separate tooling line and cost so much to produce that Ford actually made a loss on every one sold ! The car did look great though and certainly promoted the rest of Focus model range.
The Mk2 Focus RS was also rally associated in terms of its image and is a car that turns heads even of people who dont know about cars or rallying. I think this car also gave the Focus model range a late image boost before the Mk3 Focus was brought out.
Subaru and Mitsubishi have kept their 4WD cars to some extent but they have both dropped out of WRC-level rallying some time ago, due to costs.
As for the other manufacturer's, there is/was nothing from Citroen (DS3 Racing maybe), but no performance or look-alike of the Xsara or C4.
VW & Hyundai have hot-hatches but no rally-inspired looks. The Golf R is as good as it gets but is so upmarket and expensive that rally fans cant hope to have one.
Back to Ford and now they have dropped the rally-looks with the Mk3 Focus RS (5-doors, no flared-arches)... but at least they have gone 4WD and have a Drift-button !
But alas they are using Ken Block to promote it ...
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19th May 2015, 22:36 #15
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If you want a rally-version of a roadcar, It has to be a tuned stock-car by a tuner. Easy-fitted styling, tune a 1,4 something petrol turbo, new rims, lower suspension. If its a performance-car maybe its money for a good differential.
And seats and a stearingwheel.Radioreporter @ www.radiomotor.no
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21st May 2015, 21:50 #16
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New Focus RS spotted today in North Wales... German tester at local Anglesey circuit... how boring does it look ?!
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21st May 2015, 22:40 #17
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When you consider RS is supposed to mean Rallye Sport, it's clear that's no longer the case. Surely the latest RS should have been a Fiesta? It also has nothing in common with the WRCar. Personally, it's just a better version of the ST - and not a true RS.
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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6th June 2015, 17:47 #18
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This is the best version of how the new Focus RS should look...
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20th August 2015, 14:44 #19
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The new Honda Civic Type-R looks pretty race/rally inspired !
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20th August 2015, 14:46 #20
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For me it looks more like a stuff from Japanese sci-fi comics. I have to say I don't like it (even though I really like Honda as a brand).
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump
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