Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2015

[N.O.T]

In mexico they stopped the stage because they saw the gps signal disappearing suddenly within the water so they feared for the worst.

[Rally Power]

The link was already put here, but it could be interesting to reproduce in a clear way the organizers comment on Bertelli's incident:

"Following the statement released by the FUCKMATIÈ World Rally Team regarding Competitor #37 accident at the 2015 Vodafone Rally de Portugal, the organiser clarifies the following:

In relation to the incident involving competitor Lorenzo Bertelli, the organiser of Vodafone Rally de Portugal confirm that a person with medical background was in constant contact with the Event Chief Medical Officer and stayed with the driver at all times after his accident on SS10.

The Rally Chief Medical Officer consulted with the FIA Medical Delegate and at no time was the driver’s condition considered to be serious or urgent. He remained at the hospital for CT scan at 24 hours post-injury (hospital protocol for head trauma) and all the exams revealed no signs of traumatic brain injury.”

The Organising Committee

28 of May of 2015"

Bertelli claims on his press release are contradicted by the organizers, that have enough experience to distinguish a real medical emergency (like the one that involved a heli rescue to Max Rendina, #33 driver) from a minor health problem.

I like Bertelli involvement in WRC and think there shouldn't be any discrimination (positive or negative) because of his economical status, but the way this matter was described by him and his staff gives the idea that there's a little excess of egocentrism in the fuckmatie team...

Above all, this minor incident can't undermine the organizers great job on this year rally, especially attending the high risk option to return at the north region.

Perhaps, instead of dedicate so many posts over this issue it would be nice to see recognize in this forum the passion and the good behaviour of northern portuguese spectators and how vibrating and cheerful the rally turned to be ;-)

Viva Portugal, Viva o Rali!

[Mariusz]

Indeed, it was a great and beautiful rally!

[janvanvurpa]

If there is no brain, then logically how could Bertelli be brain injured?

The Organsier Dottore should have pointed that out to the boy and problem solved....

[PLuto]

In mexico they stopped the stage because they saw the gps signal disappearing suddenly within the water so they feared for the worst.

No. In Mexico they stopped the stage lot of minutes later, because they didnt really know what happened to Tanak...

[PLuto]

The link was already put here, but it could be interesting to reproduce in a clear way the organizers comment on Bertelli's incident:

"Following the statement released by the FUCKMATIÈ World Rally Team regarding Competitor #37 accident at the 2015 Vodafone Rally de Portugal, the organiser clarifies the following:

In relation to the incident involving competitor Lorenzo Bertelli, the organiser of Vodafone Rally de Portugal confirm that a person with medical background was in constant contact with the Event Chief Medical Officer and stayed with the driver at all times after his accident on SS10.

The Rally Chief Medical Officer consulted with the FIA Medical Delegate and at no time was the driver’s condition considered to be serious or urgent. He remained at the hospital for CT scan at 24 hours post-injury (hospital protocol for head trauma) and all the exams revealed no signs of traumatic brain injury.”

The Organising Committee

28 of May of 2015"

Bertelli claims on his press release are contradicted by the organizers, that have enough experience to distinguish a real medical emergency (like the one that involved a heli rescue to Max Rendina, #33 driver) from a minor health problem.

I like Bertelli involvement in WRC and think there shouldn't be any discrimination (positive or negative) because of his economical status, but the way this matter was described by him and his staff gives the idea that there's a little excess of egocentrism in the fuckmatie team...

Above all, this minor incident can't undermine the organizers great job on this year rally, especially attending the high risk option to return at the north region.

Perhaps, instead of dedicate so many posts over this issue it would be nice to see recognize in this forum the passion and the good behaviour of northern portuguese spectators and how vibrating and cheerful the rally turned to be ;-)

Viva Portugal, Viva o Rali!

NOBODY can know via phone, how serious is the injury, especially if it is head injury. In this case we should believe only driver's feelings and medical equipments (scans etc). I am usually on rally controls on events in Czech republic and I have lot of experience with this. If the crew member is feeling bad and there SHOULD be problem with it, we are immediatelly stopping the stage and sending the medical crew there. Because we are talking about health, which should be on first place. And dont forget, stopping the stage doesnt mean cancelling the stage, after some break stage can continue without problems.

I dont have more details about the problem, but what I have read from both statements (crew and organiser), for me this is big mistake from organiser/rally control/rally doctor/media delegate.

[N.O.T]

for me this is big mistake from organiser/rally control/rally doctor/media delegate.

No it is not. simple as that.. a medical professional knows a lot more how to deal with these situations... Bertelli probably described a panic attack instead of a brain injury.

There is absolutely no chance for a medical professional to put his whole life on the line without being sure 100000000000%, especially when the solution would be very easy like stopping the stage for a few minutes.

Organisers did exactly what was right and told the rich boy to take his psychotic syndromes elsewhere.

[N.O.T]

No. In Mexico they stopped the stage lot of minutes later, because they didnt really know what happened to Tanak...

we are saying the same thing.

[rayh_mx]

Bertelli probably described a panic attack instead of a brain injury.

Tha last one about it

Concussion Symptoms

Seek emergency care for an adult or child who experiences a head injury and symptoms such as:

Repeated vomiting
A loss of consciousness lasting longer than 30 seconds
A headache that gets worse over time
Changes in his or her behavior, such as irritability
Changes in physical coordination, such as stumbling or clumsiness
Confusion or disorientation, such as difficulty recognizing people or places
Slurred speech or other changes in speech
Other symptoms include:

Seizures
Vision or eye disturbances, such as pupils that are bigger than normal (dilated pupils) or pupils of unequal sizes
Lasting or recurrent dizziness
Obvious difficulty with mental function or physical coordination
Symptoms that worsen over time
Large head bumps or bruises on areas other than the forehead in children, especially in infants under 12 months of age

Basics First Aid

[Mk2 RS2000]

It would be interesting to hear from the Paramedic as to his views on the urgency. .

And here in lies the answer !