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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    If 150 000 will be the price of the new R4, why are drivers buy the R4 when you can buy a R5 almost new for 170-180 k €?
    The running cost will be apparently much lower

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    And I guess R4 would allow you to turn anything into a car, so if you owned a Kia dealership, or Ssangyong etc, you could build an R4 car with whatever car you want to promote your dealership with... Which you can't do with R5 without manufacturer involvement. Well that's how I read it anyway?

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    While R4 is still under development, in Spain N5 cars (based in Argentina's MR rules) are on their 2nd season.
    Besides ERC in the 208 R5, Suarez will also run spanish gravel series in a 208 N5 built by RMC. It uses Baratec kit and a 3dr body. Suzuki will run their N5 Swift (called R+), built by ARVidal, on the tarmac series. (N5's uses 1.6t engine from PSA with a 34mm restrictor).
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    That RMC car is heavily based on Subaru. Similar suspension, similar drivetrain to Impreza.

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    How is that working with EP6 engine? Is it placed longitudinally?
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    Yep, RMC N5 uses Baratec MR Kit, which has several Impreza transmission and suspension parts.

    MR overall layout is the same since its debut. They’ve kept the EP6 in longitudinal position, like the previous 2.4 Honda engine. No major issues so far.

    Btw, with only one SSS to go, Suarez is leading the first rally of the season on RMC’s 208 N5, almost 1m in front of Basols DS3 R5. http://www.codea.es/codea/normal/pag...a=90002&lang=0 (clasificaciones)

    Edit: Suarez won it! 2nd time a N5 car wins a spanish gravel rally, ahead R5 and N+ cars. Congrats!
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    Big surprise from spain: Renault importer will enter the tarmac series with a Clio N5 (spanish Maxi Rally), built by RMC. Driver is five time champ Miguel Fuster.



    The plan was to run a brand new Clio R4, but delays in R4 homologation alongside the fact that the R4 rules are apparently close to those of N5/MR made Renault begin the project building a N5 spec car. First event will be Ourense Rally, in June.

    While on gravel RMC’s 208 N5 already show it can win against R5 cars, on tarmac the Swift N5 from ARVidal is still far from them. Let’s see what this Renault (powered by a Peugeot engine!) will be able to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldF View Post
    The white red register plates are for cars that cannot be used in regular road traffic. For these vehicles the emission based vehicle tax don’t have to be paid. I don’t know if these taxes are used in any other country. For example for a Fiesta 1.0 65 Trend which CO2 emission is 99 g/km the vehicle tax is 2083 €. Price excl. vehicle tax is 12560 €. The selling price is then 12560 + 2083 = 14643 €. The vehicle tax is not to be mixed with VAT.

    I don’t if it’s possible to be done in Finland (too much parts replaced) but if it is possible I think it’s done via a modification inspection. I didn’t find English version of these section but as I remember you are Swedish these shouldn’t be a problem for you.

    Ändringsbesiktning (modification inspection)
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    I know I'm a bit late to this party but in sweden we have SFRO which approve amateur built cars. I don't know about rally cars but they definitely allow builders to use ready made kits etc.

    Registering such a car for road (and rally) use can't be impossible I imagine if you buy the R4 kit and do the work yourself.

    I know Swedish rally cars have orange plates though, so I'm guessing that there is a different body for inspecting and approving rally cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Big surprise from spain: Renault importer will enter the tarmac series with a Clio N5 (spanish Maxi Rally), built by RMC. Driver is five time champ Miguel Fuster.



    The plan was to run a brand new Clio R4, but delays in R4 homologation alongside the fact that the R4 rules are apparently close to those of N5/MR made Renault begin the project building a N5 spec car. First event will be Ourense Rally, in June.

    While on gravel RMC’s 208 N5 already show it can win against R5 cars, on tarmac the Swift N5 from ARVidal is still far from them. Let’s see what this Renault (powered by a Peugeot engine!) will be able to do.
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    When can we expect to see prototypes or testing from Oreca on the R4 kit in a mule?
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