Results 1 to 10 of 665
Thread: New R4 Car - Think Tank
Hybrid View
-
11th October 2014, 00:26 #1
- Join Date
- Jan 2004
- Location
- Norway
- Posts
- 6,386
- Like
- 2,011
- Liked 1,369 Times in 712 Posts
R4 News
As it is said in other threads, group N4 has been used by many as their first 4wd car. Many has also continued with it due to prices compared to R5 and WRC.
There is a hole in the system now that N4 and N4+{R4} is dying, and it needs to be filled!
How should a budget class 4wd car look like technically to become the logical stepstone from 2wd to 4wd?Last edited by Sulland; 12th December 2018 at 10:21.
-
11th October 2014, 08:36 #2
- Join Date
- Sep 2012
- Location
- Halifax, UK
- Posts
- 531
- Like
- 169
- Liked 140 Times in 86 Posts
Trouble is, if R5 was cheaper that would fill that gap. Small cars, low (relative to WRC) power and a bit of simplicity built into the rules. But it would also need WRC to be much more than it is nowadays. Bigger cars, bigger engines and more variety.
If someone were to make a 'watered-down' version of R5 could it be made cheap enough? I mean if a manufacturer made an R5 car that wasn't to the same level as the rest but cheap and reliable, they could make a whole fleet of them for a one- make championship below they R5 class.
-
11th October 2014, 12:07 #3
- Join Date
- Aug 2008
- Location
- lillehammer
- Posts
- 1,491
- Like
- 1,596
- Liked 798 Times in 380 Posts
The swedish R5 project is mostly mitsubishi evo parts. Can a rule, that alows privateers to build existing evo/wrx sti parts into a selfchoosen chassis, be something?
Radioreporter @ www.radiomotor.no
KNA Lillehammer Motorsport
- Likes: Sulland (14th October 2014)
-
11th October 2014, 17:41 #4
- Join Date
- Jan 2011
- Posts
- 645
- Like
- 50
- Liked 168 Times in 98 Posts
Here in South America I think that the Maxi Rally solution is good, considering the economic situation we have here, in which bringing things from outside is really expensive (Brazil and Argentina is like that).
They use the same engine, transmission and diffs for all cars, only the chassis and suspensions are free. In that way, they have a cheaper option for a 4wd car, and some more manufactures can support teams.
- Likes: A FONDO (12th October 2014)
-
12th October 2014, 10:50 #5
- Join Date
- Mar 2009
- Location
- France
- Posts
- 1,195
- Like
- 373
- Liked 213 Times in 107 Posts
During last Rally argentina, I read an interview of the ingeneer working on MR that FIA was looking to adopt it to new N4 categories (maybe with some change).But since, nothing new ...
For me, FIA just think to let people homologate the car they want in N4 category (with technical rules of course), as it's for RGT now. N4 are important in a lot of country. It's a good market for teams like Prodrive f.e. to develop a car. But today you need the agreement of the manufacturer ... and most of them don't care about N4, R3, R2, R1 ...Last edited by vino_93; 12th October 2014 at 10:52.
-
13th October 2014, 19:49 #6
What’s the price of a Maxi Rally car nowadays? In the thread http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...ly-Class/page2 the price was said to be 150 000 – 180 000 $ (119 000 – 142 000 €).
That’s my thoughts also and maybe it’s the only way to go if there’s soon no base cars to build a N4/R4 from. Of course teams like Prodrive and M-Sport would like to build these cars but there should be a possability also for privateers to build the cars locally with a passport without a need for a homologation.
I had a look at http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/ (search “s2000”) and the price of S2000 cars is between 115 000 – 165 000 €.
Afaik RGT rules don’t need any manufacturer involvement.“Don’t eat the yellow snow” Frank Zappa
-
11th October 2014, 18:04 #7
- Join Date
- Aug 2008
- Location
- lillehammer
- Posts
- 1,491
- Like
- 1,596
- Liked 798 Times in 380 Posts
Which engine, transmission and diffs is used there?
I think that should be a interesting formula for privateers here in europe.Radioreporter @ www.radiomotor.no
KNA Lillehammer Motorsport
-
12th October 2014, 04:11 #8
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
- Location
- Azores, Portugal
- Posts
- 1,551
- Like
- 228
- Liked 340 Times in 171 Posts
- Likes: A FONDO (12th October 2014)
-
12th October 2014, 15:06 #9
- Join Date
- Jan 2004
- Location
- Norway
- Posts
- 6,386
- Like
- 2,011
- Liked 1,369 Times in 712 Posts
Threads for the two sudam categories here:
Maxi rally: http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...xi-Rally-Class
Xtreme Rally: http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...lly-Car-Brasil
But Fia Is also looking to downsize when you see the neu R1-R3 rules and turbo rules and reg.
But I like the concept of a private tuners class!
- Likes: A FONDO (12th October 2014)
-
12th October 2014, 17:46 #10
- Join Date
- Jan 2011
- Posts
- 645
- Like
- 50
- Liked 168 Times in 98 Posts
Here in Brazil the XRC uses a Chevrolet V6 engine, but the idea was the same as the Argentinean Maxi Rally cars. But here, drivers still think it's expensive and, besides that, there are still some reliability issues.
I heard that the Baratec team was working on a project to use a 1, 6 liter, turbocharged engine on the Maxi Rally car, and that would make easier to get a Fia homologation. Don't know how far the project is right now...
Tänak got 20 points closer to Evans, but as the main reason was a bad rally for Evans, I would say that Evans lost 20 points to Tänak, not Tänak gained. The point is, if the other one does not...
[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal...