New R4 Car - Think Tank

[br21]

For 150k euros you can build decent R4 I think. For such price you can't get any good R5, but that is just as an information.
Running costs should be some 30-40% less than R5. Spare parts for sure cheaper, as most parts you can buy from external suppliers, not directly from Oreca. Engine with auxilliaries is almost standard, so cheaper to run and rebuild, transmission possible that little cheaper also. Suspension parts from kit not more expensive, other parts not from kit sure also much cheaper. Running cost/performance ratio attractive for sure, buying/building cost is only challenge...
Car is really nice, on tarmac like gokart. Gravel also good, as suspension stroke is longer than R5. Engine quite good, less advanced than R5 but 33mm restrictor helps, plus good mapping, good antilag, hopefully better management of pop-off than most R5...
In my opinion if you spend little bit less than new r5 then you can have similar fast car, need money for good parts plus good engineering.
If car build budget way then decent machinery still and cost of building/buying little smaller plus running cost significantly lower.
It good opportunity if you can have some financial support of local/national dealer, etc.

[Mirek]

Any R4 already ordered from Poland?

[mArvAlcao17]

Lets say a new complete R4 costs 150 000€, and you can get a good Fiesta R5 for that price.

It is of course early to say anything about running-, and sparepart costs for the new R4, so a few unknowns still.

What are the reports from drivers on the Oreca R4 testcar? Especially on the engine and feel of the car behaviour?

I thin no way the new R5 cost in 150k. Some said the new one cost 180-220k, while the used one costs less

[br21]

Any R4 already ordered from Poland?

To Poland not yet:-)

[br21]

I thin no way the new R5 cost in 150k. Some said the new one cost 180-220k, while the used one costs less

Sulland wrote about R4 cost...
All new R5 cars cost over 220k.

[nafpaktos]

I thin no way the new R5 cost in 150k. Some said the new one cost 180-220k, while the used one costs less

about 230k (with the latest specs)

[Rally Power]

http://www.oreca.com/wp-content/uplo...compressed.pdf

On their last brochure, Oreca estimates the R4 price between 166.000€ and 181.000€ (according to current usd/eur rate; pages 24/25). That value comprises assembly work costs. The same doc indicates R4 will tend to cost less 20% than a new R5 and exploitations costs are expected to be 35 to 40% lower, like br21 mentioned.

The 15k price gap isn’t explained, but one can guess that 181k is the price Oreca expects top tuners will sell complete cars to costumers.

Anyway, R4 is a needed category and hopefully it’ll bring a new and exciting variety of brands and models to rally. Unfortunately, the base kit inflated price and having just one worldwide supplier can jeopardy R4 future. Time will tell.

[Mirek]

Anyway, R4 is a needed category...

Is it? I'm not sure about that. I see R5 class living a successful and healthy live everyhere and I am not sure if R4 with the expected price and running cost can succeed because it is not a top a tier class in any championship and as such it looks too expensive to me. I'm afraid that it will only parazitize on the R5 class, i.e. making number of R5 cars slightly lower (by taking some money available in the sport away) while not adding anything significant to any championship.

[mArvAlcao17]

Is it? I'm not sure about that. I see R5 class living a successful and healthy live everyhere and I am not sure if R4 with the expected price and running cost can succeed because it is not a top a tier class in any championship and as such it looks too expensive to me. I'm afraid that it will only parazitize on the R5 class, i.e. making number of R5 cars slightly lower (by taking some money available in the sport away) while not adding anything significant to any championship.

Some doesn't need R4, some need them, and some desperately need that.

One more thing is R5 are not avaliable/affordable in some countries

[Sulland]

Have edited my post.
The Fiesta R5 I meant was a second hand one. You can get a Fiesta R5 Evo for that, but maybe not an Evo 2.
Still for a national title that might be sufficiant.