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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    But it's Kubica who is a world champion (WRC2) and not Lukyanuk, who cannot win ERC third year in a row...
    That's true, but Kubica win against Al-Kuwari and Protasov, Lukyanuk fighting against Kajto and Breen. And also different levels of funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    Maybe, but I never heard about public tarmac road build special for rally. If some guys/girls had problems and other don't - it's more or less OK, if all have had problems - its too difficult, if none have problems it's too easy. Nobody says rallying is easy, but there are crew who do it anyway, some better than others.
    Ok then, I'm all for bumps on F1 tracks then. That will show who the real talent in F1 is.

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    Maybe F1 would become interesting then, but I doubt that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker View Post
    Yes, but tarmac is supposed to be circuit version of rallying, or am I wrong?
    You are very wrong...

    Apart from spectator safety, this is rallying at its best, seperates real drivers from the rest (surprise surprise, heavy foot isn`t the only key to succeed). All of them had the opportunity to recce the stages, didn`t they? A crash from these bumps is a simple pacenote error due to lack of experience or ones thinking ability. What would you all say when we had rally Kenya/ Safari or other physically and mentally demanding events?
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    Quote Originally Posted by electroliquid View Post
    That's true, but Kubica win against Al-Kuwari and Protasov, Lukyanuk fighting against Kajto and Breen. And also different levels of funding.
    That's not the whole picture... Al-Kuwari chose all possible rallies outside Europe (Mexico, Argentina, Australia - all of them he won), while Kubica did rallies only in Europe. In some of these rallies he had quite strong competition - enough to mention Paddon, Evans, Lappi, Ketomaa... Evans did 6 rallies in WRC2 that year and finished on 7 th position (two times not classified due to mechanical problems).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    You are very wrong...

    Apart from spectator safety, this is rallying at its best, seperates real drivers from the rest (surprise surprise, heavy foot isn`t the only key to succeed). All of them had the opportunity to recce the stages, didn`t they? A crash from these bumps is a simple pacenote error due to lack of experience or ones thinking ability. What would you all say when we had rally Kenya/ Safari or other physically and mentally demanding events?
    So, your assumption is that rallying is only for experienced? The rest can be killed, no problem. What's wrong with you?

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    Honestly, this is like the rough gravel stages debate; some still loving them but most people is glad to use less mechanical demanding roads and fell organizers are wise to abandon the harder ones. Maybe some tarmac rally organizers could also be a bit more sensible by getting alternative roads to the rougher sections, which somehow they believe are more challenging.

    Although is quite true that drivers must adapt to road conditions, probably there’s little challenge on having to ease up the pace because the road is so damn irregular it becomes too easy to damage your car; still it’s fair to say that those complicated segments only appears a couple of times in Rzeszow Rally videos and overall the stages looks pretty exciting.

    Yep, we’ve to admit that road diversity is one of the main assets of this great sport. Otherwise how would ‘potatoes fields’ gravel sections be so common and apparently so popular in Belgium and Holland tarmac rallys?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker View Post
    So, your assumption is that rallying is only for experienced? The rest can be killed, no problem. What's wrong with you?
    How can You even come to such conclusion is beyond me.

    Rallying was not born as a dirt racing sport. That's totally wrong perception coming from the fact that today's WRC is largely made of gravel events. Rallying was born on public roads and those are largely asphalt ones. Believe it or not there is more asphalt rallies in the world than gravel ones. That's because there is more asphalt public roads than gravel ones in rally countries. And it's perfectly ok and in line with rallying nature to race on such roads. There is absolutely nothing wrong about that.

    Asphalt is difficult and so what? Maybe a bit more humbleness is needed from the drivers. It's not the road why they crash but it's because they don't drive the way to have things under control. The accidents often happen to remind the crews they are not that good as they think. The road isn't killing them. It's their own driving. It's their decision to take the risk and drive without having proper control of the situation.

    Stages like those in Rzeszow, those in Ireland, those in Czech republic, Slovakia, Belgium, some in France, Croatia, Italy etc. have been used for ages. They didn't become a killer this weekend. They just caught out some drivers who weren't prepared or humble enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Honestly, this is like the rough gravel stages debate; some still loving them but most people is glad to use less mechanical demanding roads and fell organizers are wise to abandon the harder ones. Maybe some tarmac rally organizers could also be a bit more sensible by getting alternative roads to the rougher sections, which somehow they believe are more challenging.
    Have You watched footage from Rzeszow? The roads are not rough. The crashes were mostly caused by cutting where it was stupid to cut or by underestimating dirt thrown on the road by said cutting or by wrong pacenotes. Most of that is about experience and with that we are back to the humbleness. You don't try to be the fastest on top of Mt. Everest when You are there for the first time even when You climbed all other mountains around, do You?
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    So, your assumption is that rallying is only for experienced? The rest can be killed, no problem. What's wrong with you?
    Now you are talking rubbish. I wish no harm to anyone and thankfully we can say that cars are safe. And yes, this is isn`t a local championship, it`s ERC, where one should be more experienced and ready to cope with different conditions that different countries have to offer.

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