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    Another point to bear in mind, this event was in the ERC... the European Rally Championship.

    Not some village level rally for amateurs.

    It's meant to be difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Have You watched footage from Rzeszow? The roads are not rough. The crashes were mostly caused by cutting where it was stupid to cut or by underestimating dirt thrown on the road by said cutting or by wrong pacenotes. Most of that is about experience and with that we are back to the humbleness. You don't try to be the fastest on top of Mt. Everest when You are there for the first time even when You climbed all other mountains around, do You?
    Apparently you've miss my point; from the videos (no other way to say) the stages looked great and only ONE or TWO segments seemed to be more problematic. In that specific cases, especially if organizers have records of previous accidents, it'd be sensible to avoid them or try to make them less tricky (by chicane use, for instance). It may not sound popular, but improving safety standards never is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Apparently you've miss my point; from the videos (no other way to say) the stages looked great and only ONE or TWO segments seemed to be more problematic. In that specific cases, especially if organizers have records of previous accidents, it'd be sensible to avoid them or try to make them less tricky (by chicane use, for instance). It may not sound popular, but improving safety standards never is.
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    @Mirek In Nordic countries rallying was born from narrow gravel roads. Not from tarmac. The speed back then was maybe half of what it is today.

    Maybe a rethink of the whole sport could be one solution. Or, like Rally Power says, a more humble organizer should have put up some chicanes at the well known hard places. And some fences for spectators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    But it's Kubica who is a world champion (WRC2) and not Lukyanuk, who cannot win ERC third year in a row...
    Maybe you don't like Lukyanuk,but Kubica isn't different from Luky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    @Mirek In Nordic countries rallying was born from narrow gravel roads. Not from tarmac. The speed back then was maybe half of what it is today.
    Rallying was not born in nordic countries.
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    You'd think these were blind rallies !!

    Crews do recce and write detailed pacenotes and have no excuse for not knowing 'difficult' sections.

    (And the last thing we need are more artificial straw bale chicanes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Rallying was not born in nordic countries.
    Well, that´s an interesting question. However I said "in Nordic coutries rallies was born from narrow gravel roads" doesn´t need to mean rallying was born in Nordic countries. Even if tarmac was the historic surface doesn´t mean nowadays organizers are without responsibility having high dangerous rallies on tarmac knowing the fact that the speed is many times higher.
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    Well, but what was actually damaged in this rally, except cars? There`s a big difference between a crash and a crash. A high-speed roll seems violent but is usually much softer to the occupants than a fast stopping crash, which doesn`t always look half as bad.

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    guys... during last Rally Finland there was one corner where 17 cars went out... it was gravel event... during this event organizer put many chicanes and everyone complained... and it didn't help... so your solutions are not good...
    same there in Finland like last weekend in Rzeszow it was simply mistakes or lower level of crews which led to so many offs...
    pity to say, but level of the forum is going down, I still read, but very rarely I reply as I have a feeling is waste of time...

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