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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Rallying was not born in nordic countries.
    Well, that´s an interesting question. However I said "in Nordic coutries rallies was born from narrow gravel roads" doesn´t need to mean rallying was born in Nordic countries. Even if tarmac was the historic surface doesn´t mean nowadays organizers are without responsibility having high dangerous rallies on tarmac knowing the fact that the speed is many times higher.
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    Well, but what was actually damaged in this rally, except cars? There`s a big difference between a crash and a crash. A high-speed roll seems violent but is usually much softer to the occupants than a fast stopping crash, which doesn`t always look half as bad.

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    guys... during last Rally Finland there was one corner where 17 cars went out... it was gravel event... during this event organizer put many chicanes and everyone complained... and it didn't help... so your solutions are not good...
    same there in Finland like last weekend in Rzeszow it was simply mistakes or lower level of crews which led to so many offs...
    pity to say, but level of the forum is going down, I still read, but very rarely I reply as I have a feeling is waste of time...

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    It seems there are different philosophies to approach rallying and clearly those two ends don't meet now.

    Personally I see as a sport where organizers prepare a route that the competitors must pass as fast as possible. What lies behind the next corner is for the competitor to survive. Variety is everything. Rallies shouldn't be about guaranteed finishing.

    Speaking about foundations of rallying, it's obvious it's born from upper class past time fun in early 1900s Central Europe. Those rallies had hardly any similarities to rallying what we have known for the past 55-60 years or so. Nordic events come into picture when the modern speed tests, special stages, were introduced. It happened simultaneously in many countries, but Nordic rallies bear a role. To link this all to this current discussion, and to provoke a little, Nordic influence on rallying is what makes the tarmac events nowadays sooooo dangerous.

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    I'm leaving here one short story from distant past.

    I think it was in 1980 when Antonio Zanussi came to Zlín to take part in his first Barum rally. He didn't even start. He said he was not properly prepared for what he found in recce. He said he would return when he is ready. He was working hard to come back next year - for the victory achieved at first attempt. That's something which nobody achieved in the last ten years including roughly one half of current WRC drivers.

    Most of todays "dangerous" route was run already in that time. The tyres were shit compared to today, the suspension was bad, brakes weak and the passive safety of the cars was better not to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    Maybe you don't like Lukyanuk,but Kubica isn't different from Luky.
    Oh no, far from that. I like Lukyanuk's personality, positive attitude and admire his speed. I find him a true die-hard rally driver and a great attraction of each rally.

    But... some part of me simply doesn't respect drivers who crash in every second rally. I can't help it, it's in my blood. I have always admired drivers who came to a rally and, without knowing the stages by heart, were able to win the event in the first attempt. Like Aghini, Basso, Travaglia, Rossetti and other great names of the past in the ERC. The drivers who crash in every second rally usually disappear from the stages very quickly. Do you remember Evgeny Novikov?
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    Quote Originally Posted by br21 View Post
    guys... during last Rally Finland there was one corner where 17 cars went out... it was gravel event... during this event organizer put many chicanes and everyone complained... and it didn't help... so your solutions are not good...
    same there in Finland like last weekend in Rzeszow it was simply mistakes or lower level of crews which led to so many offs...
    pity to say, but level of the forum is going down, I still read, but very rarely I reply as I have a feeling is waste of time...
    With due respect br21, that’s not a very fair remark. If people, and especially insiders like you, can make more positive contributions why don’t they do it instead of moaning about how the forum level is getting down?

    For sure my competitor experience was very limited (only a handful of events as driver or codriver in second level series) and so was my job as rally marshal, but I’ve learned a couple of things about the sport and one of them is that organizers can always try to improve safety.

    Generally (not talking about Rzeszow anymore), if there’s the perfect notion that a specific stage point is too dangerous, organizers must act proactively; to get a couple of chicanes in those tricky spots can be a sensible solution. Apparently, that wasn’t the case in Finland, as chicanes were installed mainly to cope with FIA pressure to get average speed down.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Most of todays "dangerous" route was run already in that time. The tyres were shit compared to today, the suspension was bad, brakes weak and the passive safety of the cars was better not to talk about.
    That’s true; still, looking for safer ways to run motorsport is part of its evolution and survival.
    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    That’s true; still, looking for safer ways to run motorsport is part of its evolution and survival.
    There is no ultimate safety solution for rallying and absolutely not for the cost of loosing the character of particular events. Even drivers disagree with You. You can ask them and nearly all would tell You they love Pindula which is probably one of the most dangerous and bumpy stages in the world.
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    Rally Finland ended using the Humalamäki stage because of it´s danger. However gravel is a lot more forgiving surface for the drivers. Still many offs.
    I´ll leave discussion here. We still have opposite thoughts. My point is a combination of safety for drivers AND spectators. Something I didn´t quite see on those vids from Poland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Rally Finland ended using the Humalamäki stage because of it´s danger.
    Parts of Humalamäki stage have been used on local events in recent years. I can not name single stage in Finland that would've been binned because it's too dangerous. Maybe Ouninpohja would be the first in line. It has reputation, and that is also why notably small number of crashes happen there, because drivers approach it with thought.
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