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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker View Post
    So, your assumption is that rallying is only for experienced? The rest can be killed, no problem. What's wrong with you?
    How can You even come to such conclusion is beyond me.

    Rallying was not born as a dirt racing sport. That's totally wrong perception coming from the fact that today's WRC is largely made of gravel events. Rallying was born on public roads and those are largely asphalt ones. Believe it or not there is more asphalt rallies in the world than gravel ones. That's because there is more asphalt public roads than gravel ones in rally countries. And it's perfectly ok and in line with rallying nature to race on such roads. There is absolutely nothing wrong about that.

    Asphalt is difficult and so what? Maybe a bit more humbleness is needed from the drivers. It's not the road why they crash but it's because they don't drive the way to have things under control. The accidents often happen to remind the crews they are not that good as they think. The road isn't killing them. It's their own driving. It's their decision to take the risk and drive without having proper control of the situation.

    Stages like those in Rzeszow, those in Ireland, those in Czech republic, Slovakia, Belgium, some in France, Croatia, Italy etc. have been used for ages. They didn't become a killer this weekend. They just caught out some drivers who weren't prepared or humble enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Honestly, this is like the rough gravel stages debate; some still loving them but most people is glad to use less mechanical demanding roads and fell organizers are wise to abandon the harder ones. Maybe some tarmac rally organizers could also be a bit more sensible by getting alternative roads to the rougher sections, which somehow they believe are more challenging.
    Have You watched footage from Rzeszow? The roads are not rough. The crashes were mostly caused by cutting where it was stupid to cut or by underestimating dirt thrown on the road by said cutting or by wrong pacenotes. Most of that is about experience and with that we are back to the humbleness. You don't try to be the fastest on top of Mt. Everest when You are there for the first time even when You climbed all other mountains around, do You?
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    So, your assumption is that rallying is only for experienced? The rest can be killed, no problem. What's wrong with you?
    Now you are talking rubbish. I wish no harm to anyone and thankfully we can say that cars are safe. And yes, this is isn`t a local championship, it`s ERC, where one should be more experienced and ready to cope with different conditions that different countries have to offer.

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    Another point to bear in mind, this event was in the ERC... the European Rally Championship.

    Not some village level rally for amateurs.

    It's meant to be difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Have You watched footage from Rzeszow? The roads are not rough. The crashes were mostly caused by cutting where it was stupid to cut or by underestimating dirt thrown on the road by said cutting or by wrong pacenotes. Most of that is about experience and with that we are back to the humbleness. You don't try to be the fastest on top of Mt. Everest when You are there for the first time even when You climbed all other mountains around, do You?
    Apparently you've miss my point; from the videos (no other way to say) the stages looked great and only ONE or TWO segments seemed to be more problematic. In that specific cases, especially if organizers have records of previous accidents, it'd be sensible to avoid them or try to make them less tricky (by chicane use, for instance). It may not sound popular, but improving safety standards never is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Apparently you've miss my point; from the videos (no other way to say) the stages looked great and only ONE or TWO segments seemed to be more problematic. In that specific cases, especially if organizers have records of previous accidents, it'd be sensible to avoid them or try to make them less tricky (by chicane use, for instance). It may not sound popular, but improving safety standards never is.
    +10

    @Mirek In Nordic countries rallying was born from narrow gravel roads. Not from tarmac. The speed back then was maybe half of what it is today.

    Maybe a rethink of the whole sport could be one solution. Or, like Rally Power says, a more humble organizer should have put up some chicanes at the well known hard places. And some fences for spectators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarek Z View Post
    But it's Kubica who is a world champion (WRC2) and not Lukyanuk, who cannot win ERC third year in a row...
    Maybe you don't like Lukyanuk,but Kubica isn't different from Luky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    @Mirek In Nordic countries rallying was born from narrow gravel roads. Not from tarmac. The speed back then was maybe half of what it is today.
    Rallying was not born in nordic countries.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    You'd think these were blind rallies !!

    Crews do recce and write detailed pacenotes and have no excuse for not knowing 'difficult' sections.

    (And the last thing we need are more artificial straw bale chicanes).

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    Accelerator pedal works both ways too...
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